To briefly summarize latest page of this sad "official" thread created by flaming Russophobe agip:
"imperialism is good"
"anti-imperialism is anti-semitism"
"you're as informed as us" (i.e. not at all)
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carmine9 wrote:
The Janitor wrote:
I'm no economist, but you need healthy economies to buy $268 billion worth of goods in a given year. Those European economies are healthy at least in part because we built them up after WW2. That's part of the return we get from our aid to Europe.
On March 2, 141 UN members voted in favor of a formal reprimand of Russia for its invasion of Ukraine. Only 5 UN members voted against the measure: Russia, Belarus, Eritrea, North Korea and Syria. That's also part of the return we get from being a leader in international affairs. A number of countries you cite abstained from voting rather than go on the record in support of Putin by voting against the measure.
141 out of 193.
In other words, a significant majority of nations at the UN were willing to go on the record against Putin. At the same time, only 5 nations, out of 193, were willing to go on the record in support of Putin.
It must be lonely when the only countries on the entire planet who are willing to stick up for you are Belarus, Eritrea, NK and Syria.
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OH...TX wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
No... America got "historically rich" because it was the only industrial nation that wasn't devastated by World War 2. If everyone's house burns down but yours you're in a pretty good spot compared to the rest of the neighborhood.
What returns do you think we have gotten from Europe?
So simple-minded, you are. If all of your neighbors houses burn down, you will soon live in a crime-filled slum with a lower property value. If you help them build back better, your property value will increase, and everyone will be objectivity better than before the fire.
No. If your home was separated from those slum homes with lower property values by the largest moat (ocean) in the world, you’d probably be fine. And you’d have a tremendous head start in continuing to build your own wealth as they struggle for quite some time to simply get back on their feet.
Regarding helping other countries build themselves up: If you haven’t noticed, we specifically DO NOT do that, as we prefer to encourage the fortunate ones to escape their own shiithole countries to move here.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Colin Bomba Harris wrote:
^^^^^^^
The ideas and arguments in the bolded sentences are incredibly dumb and ignorant of what goes on in the world. Not even worth trying to explain.
So you know nothing about the argument and certainly can't refute it so you just insult.
Every time.
Corn chowder head. Fishface. Chicken chest, biscuit built. Those are insults.
I got to bail, man. Get an early start on happy hour. If there are any pro-Putes at the bar, all I can say is that better keep it to themselves. Otherwise, I'm going to bitchslap up side the head like Will Smiff. Did you know I can actually spot pro-Putes like yourself? I can, with 90% accuracy. I can't really describe how I spot them, other than it's the way they carry themselves, all insecure-like.
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carmine9 wrote:
ultrajogger4lyfe wrote:
Zelenskyy wasn't the new president in 2014. He wasn't even playing one on tv until 2015.
You are not informed, you know what all the rest of us do and then you pick the jews Zelenskyy and Nuland and blame them for evrything.
Poreshenko was installed in 2014.
Nobody but you said Zelensky was.
Nuland is responsible. Can we not say this?
You say Zelenskyy is US puppet.
You say Poreshenko is US puppet.
On 20 December 2019, Ukrainian law enforcement raided both Poroshenko's party headquarters and gym on the orders of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
Doesn't add up.
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carmine9 wrote:
ultrajogger4lyfe wrote:
Zelenskyy wasn't the new president in 2014. He wasn't even playing one on tv until 2015.
You are not informed, you know what all the rest of us do and then you pick the jews Zelenskyy and Nuland and blame them for evrything.
Poreshenko was installed in 2014.
Nobody but you said Zelensky was.
Nuland is responsible. Can we not say this?
Poreshenko was elected by a large margin of voting Ukrainians after the Parliament voted to remove the Russian puppet. Russian and their water-carriers have no credibility complaining about other countries having preferences in who leads Ukraine.
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OH...TX wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
The US has a trade deficit.
China has a $535 billion trade surplus.
Trade isn't an indicator of good will or political support.
The "international unity" against Putin isn't as international as you think.
Half the world's population isn't in the anti-Russia camp. By liberal logic that means the majority supports Putin.
China, India, Brazil, Mexico, and many others did not agree to sanction Russia.
America's post WWII economy is the strongest in the history of the world. This was only possible due to the stability and free-trade we created with our deliberate actions. You are so deluded with anti-American propaganda, you can't see what is right in front of you.
China is the place we outsource our menial labor and pollution. They produce stuff for us because their people's time is not valuable. When it becomes more valuable, we'll produce our stuff in cheaper places. Trade surpluses and deficits have no inherent value.
You are so ignorant it's absurd... lol.
It's not "anti-American propaganda" to realize the unique position America was in 1945.
The richest countries in the world in 1940 were:
1. USA
2. USSR
3. Germany
4. UK
5. Japan
China was in the mix as well. Can you think of anything at all that happened to China, the USSR, Germany, the UK, and Japan between 1933 and 1945?
Anything at all?
Half of the USSR was destroyed along with a huge percentage of it's population.
ALL of Germany was destroyed. along with a huge percentage of it's male population.
The UK lost it's empire from where most of it's wealth came from.
Japan was destroyed and lost a huge percentage of it's population.
China was brutalized by Japan for over a decade and immediately fell into civil war once the war was over with tens of millions killed.
Meanwhile, the US was completely untouched suffered WAAAAAAAY less casualties than anyone else as a percentage of population and the civilian population was completely untouched.
This set the US up for the economic boom more than any other reason. To suggest otherwise is absurd.
Imagine half the NFL being killed in plane crashes and then the only team which didn't lose half it's players shows up on Sunday and claims they won their game because they executed better than their opponent... You're being ridiculous.
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The Janitor wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
141 out of 193.
In other words, a significant majority of nations at the UN were willing to go on the record against Putin. At the same time, only 5 nations, out of 193, were willing to go on the record in support of Putin.
It must be lonely when the only countries on the entire planet who are willing to stick up for you are Belarus, Eritrea, NK and Syria.
141 of 193.
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SeattleSilver wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Poreshenko was installed in 2014.
Nobody but you said Zelensky was.
Nuland is responsible. Can we not say this?
Poreshenko was elected by a large margin of voting Ukrainians after the Parliament voted to remove the Russian puppet. Russian and their water-carriers have no credibility complaining about other countries having preferences in who leads Ukraine.
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ultrajogger4lyfe wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Poreshenko was installed in 2014.
Nobody but you said Zelensky was.
Nuland is responsible. Can we not say this?
You say Zelenskyy is US puppet.
You say Poreshenko is US puppet.
On 20 December 2019, Ukrainian law enforcement raided both Poroshenko's party headquarters and gym on the orders of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
Doesn't add up.
Why not?
US puppet pols fight among themselves
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carmine9 wrote:
SeattleSilver wrote:
Poreshenko was elected by a large margin of voting Ukrainians after the Parliament voted to remove the Russian puppet. Russian and their water-carriers have no credibility complaining about other countries having preferences in who leads Ukraine.
Country has preference for who will be elected in another country? Well, I never ....
How many votes do you think Nuland cast?
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Colin Bomba Harris wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
So you know nothing about the argument and certainly can't refute it so you just insult.
Every time.
Corn chowder head. Fishface. Chicken chest, biscuit built. Those are insults.
I got to bail, man. Get an early start on happy hour. If there are any pro-Putes at the bar, all I can say is that better keep it to themselves. Otherwise, I'm going to bitchslap up side the head like Will Smiff. Did you know I can actually spot pro-Putes like yourself? I can, with 90% accuracy. I can't really describe how I spot them, other than it's the way they carry themselves, all insecure-like.
They make you feel less than. Your insecurities amuse me little fella.
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SeattleSilver wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Country has preference for who will be elected in another country? Well, I never ....
How many votes do you think Nuland cast?
Votes?
$$ and power matter. Not votes.
The US backed a violent insurrection and chose the next "leader".
Here is how you know who the boss is and who is the puppet.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
The Janitor wrote:
OK, you made me laugh!
You throw the word "leftist" around as an insult, and the best you can do to back up your claims is to cite the self-proclaimed "online newspaper of the international Trotskyist movement"?
Or are you some master of satire that a simple guy like me doesn't get?
If I link a right wing site they'll just dismiss it as propaganda.
If I link their own heroes they can't dismiss it.
What about linking to actual articles, containing clear references or links to credible sources, writen by actual journalists without a political agenda then?
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Colin Bomba Harris wrote:
Corn chowder head. Fishface. Chicken chest, biscuit built. Those are insults.
I got to bail, man. Get an early start on happy hour. If there are any pro-Putes at the bar, all I can say is that better keep it to themselves. Otherwise, I'm going to bitchslap up side the head like Will Smiff. Did you know I can actually spot pro-Putes like yourself? I can, with 90% accuracy. I can't really describe how I spot them, other than it's the way they carry themselves, all insecure-like.
They make you feel less than. Your insecurities amuse me little fella.
So, how does it work? During the cold war, were you are all pro-Brezhnev too? I'm trying to find where there is any consistency with you guys other than hating America.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Conundrum wrote:
Why do you spit back Russian propaganda as fact? Often Russian propaganda might even have a small kernel of truth but exaggerated to the point of absurdity. Did Ukraine ever do something wrong? Yeah probably they might have. Does it warrant or in anyway compare with the butchery started by Putin? Of course not.
Putin is horribly wrong here and its crazy that you really can't see it.
Did I ever say Putin wasn't wrong?
Why do you continually attack me for claims I never made?
I thought you often justified Putin's attack. But if I miss characterized your position by claiming that you can't see that Putin was horribly wrong but you can see that he was horribly wrong then I humbly apologize.
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Well then wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
If I link a right wing site they'll just dismiss it as propaganda.
If I link their own heroes they can't dismiss it.
What about linking to actual articles, containing clear references or links to credible sources, writen by actual journalists without a political agenda then?
It's 2022. Actual journalists without political agendas no longer exist. Any story which doesn't confirm the readers bias will instantly be dismissed as propaganda.
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Colin Bomba Harris wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
They make you feel less than. Your insecurities amuse me little fella.
So, how does it work? During the cold war, were you are all pro-Brezhnev too? I'm trying to find where there is any consistency with you guys other than hating America.
Jane Fonda is hero to the left and she literally tattled on US pow's to the communists in Hanoi.
Maybe pump the brakes a little bit on the "i'm a leftist patriot" BS...
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OH...TX wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
The US has a trade deficit.
China has a $535 billion trade surplus.
Trade isn't an indicator of good will or political support.
The "international unity" against Putin isn't as international as you think.
Half the world's population isn't in the anti-Russia camp. By liberal logic that means the majority supports Putin.
China, India, Brazil, Mexico, and many others did not agree to sanction Russia.
America's post WWII economy is the strongest in the history of the world. This was only possible due to the stability and free-trade we created with our deliberate actions. You are so deluded with anti-American propaganda, you can't see what is right in front of you.
China is the place we outsource our menial labor and pollution. They produce stuff for us because their people's time is not valuable. When it becomes more valuable, we'll produce our stuff in cheaper places. Trade surpluses and deficits have no inherent value.
I was often told America's post WWII economy was in part because of our industry. We sold a lot of goods to our allies and they were expected to pay in gold or silver. America was the richest nation on the face of the earth after the war.
Also contributing to post war economy was that consumer goods came back on the market. People were working for 3/4 years with frozen wages, 12 hour days but with nothing to spend money on anyhow. Most foods were rationed along with gas and tires. (According to legend though willing girls weren't rationed) Most manufacturing was going to the war effort.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Colin Bomba Harris wrote:
So, how does it work? During the cold war, were you are all pro-Brezhnev too? I'm trying to find where there is any consistency with you guys other than hating America.
Jane Fonda is hero to the left and she literally tattled on US pow's to the communists in Hanoi.
Maybe pump the brakes a little bit on the "i'm a leftist patriot" BS...
I'm not a leftist, as you are aware.
But yeah, Jane Fonda. I mentioned her earlier. You guys are kind of the Jane Fondas of this generation.11
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