Isn't her father a doctor or something?
Isn't her father a doctor or something?
You miss Mary's point; it isn't about Salazar, it's about portions of a male dominated system.
And importantly, it should be noted that the emotional imprints that led Mary to cut, were certainly laid out in her early family of origin years...
joecrunner wrote:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Cycle_of_Abuse.pngTypical abuse cycle
Jessus Keericed.
This isn't even correct.
It's missing a few things.
Step one is: Grooming, identifying, seducing a victim candidate. Use of praise, positive support and other good vibes, to establish trust and a bond.
Also, perpetrators don't always apologize. Often there's a quiet period, the silent treatment, before a return benign or healthier behavior, before next outbursts of criticism etc.
Agreed.
Her entire emotional make up was set long before she was coached by Salazar.
I.e. "Emotional Personality," is imprinted by a child's family and care givers long before age 15.
The ability to feel like cutting or suicide are options was most certainly imprinted and set within her by age 12 or less.
Facts of life wrote:
Her entire emotional make up was set long before she was coached by Salazar.
If it's true that there was no sports psychologist or nutritionist, then the Nike program was not good enough to deal with teenagers who are competitive and emotional.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nike-workers-pay-kaepernick"That means Nike workers in Vietnam earned between $0.61 and $0.89 per hour in 2016, based on a working week of 48 hours."
If all they care about is money and fast times, then Mary's situation was made worse by the Nike Oregon Project.
Sounds like Cain didn't do her homework before concocting her defamatory claims.
+1
But you're a Nike shill and a bad person because anything less than complete acceptance of Cain's story constitutes victim blaming.
NoFnWay wrote:
Mary tried to rejoin NOP in April of this year. What has happened since then?
What a hypocrite wrote:
She drank some of the Kara sauce.
Mary Cain and Kara Goucher have always lived sheltered lives and have weak mentalities.
And THAT is the reason they failed, which had nothing to do with the NOP or Salazar.
To the contrary, both of them did their best running and got their best results when they were trained by Alberto.
If attempting to rejoin in April 2019 is indeed true Cain will lose all credibility. I hope the truth comes out and those deserving are punished. I don’t believe the entire story is out and if Cain has embellished or altered her story she will damage future female runners and their chances of training with top coaches.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
She feels like she has one last chance to reach the top in running again, and that's going back to Salazar and the NOP. Salazar was laughing her off, making fun of her trying to come back and telling her she is done. This is what triggered her, realizing that she never meant anything to Salazar and he never cared for her as a person but just saw her as a gifted runner that he could use and take advantage of to win more medals. As a result, she went on a revenge trip, trying to ruin Salazar, by cooperating with big media which she achieved.
I'd be more inclined to attribute it to trying to spin herself as a hero/victim in order to front run evidence of her doping. Same thing with the Gouchers, but it revenge seems more plausible there, as there was some falling out between Adam and Salazar that led to them getting kicked.
I read a shorter response from her, maybe on twitter. She said she wanted to go back to how it was in the early days, when she loved Alberto like a father figure and sought his approval again. She said she wanted to be his favorite once again.
I totally understand how this could be, even as early as this year. She is a child prodigy and the golden child. He told her she had more talent than anyone he's ever seen. The same thing he probably tells Sifan Hassan now, who defends him with no reserve. Salazar always has a favorite female runner—Kara, Jordan, Mary, Sifan. His true favorite is Rupp though because that was the ultimate molding.
If anyone is making this a "me too" situation, it's everyone not giving her the benefit of the doubt when we've heard nothing from her before, except for trying her best to be the prototypical good girl, straight A student. When people side w/Salazar when he has been accused of shady dealings for almost a decade. She said the final curtain on the doping allegations moved her to speak out.
At the very least, he is not the genius coach he was painted as. If he were really smart or in any way empathetic, he would not have shamed her for her weight. That only leads to eating on the sly and worse. I think most people on the board, including me, have found Mary Cain to be quite soft looking even at her leanest. But she was a teen and still developing and was the fastest of her peers anyway. She could be leaner later, but still not as thin as Salazar wanted. Everyone's body is different and not having a period for three years and stress fractures show that she needed to be def more than the weight he wanted, and a coach who cared about her long-term success would know that.
Hasay won a world major? Did I miss that?
Back in the day, running in a fairly competitive D3 program in the early ‘90s, virtually every member of the female team had, at one point or another, an eating disorder. There was absolutely no culture of fat shaming on the team. If anything, coach encouraged us to eat frequently and well, perhaps to the detriment of maximizing performance. But all the same, the women, and from time to time a guy, turned anorexic or bulimic or a combo. We’d all notice and kind of cringe until some crisis (fainting during race etc), then trips to the counselor to sort it out. It didn’t take a coach or authority figure to trigger eating disorders or self destructive behaviors. A lot was internal expectations clashing with reality.
I’m not saying she didn’t have a bad experience or that Salazar isn’t one of those once respected old school coaches....however all her comments appear very reverse engineered to bolster her argument. I mean comments like “publicly shamed “.... that could mean a 100 things to a 100 people. What was the exact shaming? Was it a coach saying you weigh 120 and I want you to weigh 114? It was it a coach saying you are a fat pig? Salazar is busted for being a drug cheat. I don’t think you can ban a coach for being a jerk, but you can quit the team and admit you made a judgement error by joining and move on.
Long term success such a silly term. One gold or one super bowl win etc is all it’s about. A 20 year career with lots of PR’s is a waste vs a 5 year career with a Olympic medal. This is pro sports and that’s what Salazar is looking for.
Yikes! A women scorned! She will have no legal case, the internet is forever.
It's the entire society not just the silly and misguided and it all started with 9/11.
Corroborate? Check?
Source and how much?
More like 300 nowadays.
In 1991, the Bill Belichick Browns had 300-lb. tackles and that was rare even 30 years ago, and the only other teams back then were the Giants/Cowboys. Now, 300-320 is the minimum. The NFC was larger across the board than the AFC.
Same with the defensive lines.
Anyways, regarding Mary:
This also goes back to the point that running is like wrestling in that you have to have strict weight standards, etc. But each person will be different running-wise. Unlike wrestling, where there are specific classes.
I think Mary will succeed in school (pre-med) and probably become an exercise physiologist. As a runner, that would be her best use of her running experience in a professional non-running setting.
If she is pre-med at Fordham I'm not even sure if they'd allow her to skip class.
Wow...
No scholarship limits anymore! (NCAA Track and Field inequality is going to get way worse, right?)
2024 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion
Matt Fox/SweatElite harasses one of his clients after they called him out
I’m a guy. I see a female psychiatrist. I’m developing feelings for her and confused.