10 grand to anyone who can prove the earth is a ball

LoneStarXC wrote:

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The flat earth society is controlled opposition.

The earth is a plane wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

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The flat earth society is controlled opposition.

The society for the flat earth FTW!

Coming back to "The horizon is ALWAYS at eye level" -- look at the preview image of the YOUTUBE video: the horizon behind the narrator is clearly at chest level, while the camera's "eye" appears to be at chin height (the middle of the image), and humorously, it appears that the narrator is unwittingly showing us the difference between the horizon and his eye-level, with his two hands. This suggests another easy mountain top experiment: consider two friends of roughly the same height, at a high altitude with a smart phone or camera. On a flat earth, one friend should always be able to photograph the other friend, with the subject's eyes at the same level of the horizon behind him, because the eye of the camera, the eyes of the friend, and the horizon will be at the same level, because "the horizon is ALWAYS at eye level" (of the camera), and the friends are roughly the same height. On a ball earth, the horizon will always appear to be below the level of his friend's (and the camera's) eyes.

You've all been had! The youtube video says Eric Dubay (Doobie!)

Bugs Bunny proved it....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgqW_hgpuEI

LoneStarXC wrote:

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+1

Still no answer on the need for satellite phones and how they work if satellites are NASA cgi fakes.

Another giver of +1 wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

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+1

Still no answer on the need for satellite phones and how they work if satellites are NASA cgi fakes.

Cell phone towers, have you heard of these? Why doesn't my phone work in the middle of nowhere if there are these supposed satellites? Also, The flat earth society is controlled opposition to discredit the flat earth movement and to make the whole thing look silly. Watch the video below.

If I can see stuff in space with a telescope, why can't I look at Tokyo?

Just over there wrote:

If I can see stuff in space with a telescope, why can't I look at Tokyo?

The reason why you can't see Tokyo from across the pacific ocean is because of the Law of Perspective.

Queeg 500 wrote:

duh2 wrote:Tell me why half the world is in day and half is in night, if all countries are on a flat plane. Go on.

The problem with asking this question is the kind of morans who claim they believe the earth is flat can claim to believe all sorts of ridiculous things in defence of their one ridiculous claim.

They could just doubt half of the world is in day when the other half is night. Maybe when you flew across the world, everyone lied about what time it is! Maybe when you watch a supposedly live event from the other side of the world in the middle of the night, it was actually filmed the previous day!

That's a real cheesy post dude. ?

aging wrote:

geosciencesguy wrote:

Oblate Spheroid FTW. Earth ain't round.

This - not a ball or sphere. The earth is egg shaped.

About time someone said it.

You are confusing cell phones with satellite phones. Satellite phones work, for example, on ships in the ocean, where there are no nearby cell towers. I couldn't tell the difference between controlled opposition and the real movement. The real movement has so many independent researchers, often giving their own interpretations, or new explanations for observations, that there doesn't seem to be a single movement as such. If I click on the Youtube video, does Eric Dubay make money? This seems like a major motivation to produce flat-earth videos and fabricate controversy. Can you, or any flat-earther, address the mountain top observations? Has any flat-earther actually shown that the horizon ALWAYS rises to eye-level, because as you get higher? Because it doesn't seem to be the case, and at higher altitudes, the horizon starts to fall short. A carefully staged photo of a friend, with the camera at the same "eye level", showing the horizon in the background, at the same "eye level", should be enough. A better measure is Al-Biruni's experiment, which measure the dip-angle to the horizon. We can predict where the horizon should be, with both flat earth and ball earth models. A flat-earth model would have dip-angle of 0, which would be pretty definitive. Seems like that would be a high motivation for flat-earthers, settling the question once and for all.

The earth is a plane wrote:

Cell phone towers, have you heard of these? Why doesn't my phone work in the middle of nowhere if there are these supposed satellites? Also, The flat earth society is controlled opposition to discredit the flat earth movement and to make the whole thing look silly. Watch the video below.

Here's another simple question, if the earth is flat, and maps are flat, why do all the flat earth maps (azimuthal equidistant) distort Australia, seemingly stretching it from left to right?

We know of several kinds of distortions that would result of we project a globe onto a flat map, e.g. Mercatur.

What is the source of distortion when project a flat earth onto a flat map, which should be possible simply by reducing the scale proportionally in both x and y directions?

For example:

The distance between Darwin and Adelaide is 1627 miles.

The distance between Perth and Sydney is 2040 miles.

If the earth is flat, we should be able to measure these proportionally on a flat map.

Can any flat-earther produce a map without distortion?

Eric Dubay should instantly give this money to fund a local branch of geodesy. It doesn't seem obvious how to prove the earth is a ball, if flat-earthers do not already accept current proofs, dismissing them for example, as government lies. It becomes a question, not of the proof itself, but what do flat-earthers accept as proof, if they reject "government" or other scientific observations? To be fair, Al-Biruni did not prove a ball, but assumed a ball and measured the radius. While Al-Biruni used a mountain top to calculate the radius of the ball, this in fact is just the measurement of two points on the earth, out of an infinite choice of pairs. Al-Biruni's observations do however, disprove a flat earth. There is a whole branch of science, geodetics, dedicated to measuring the surface of the earth, and mapping it to a three dimensional coordinate system. The proof is in the historical collection of measurements by various surveyors, and more modern systems, such as satellite mapping -- a collection of measurements which get mapped onto a reference datum (of which there are several to choose from giving slightly different coordinates). From wikipedia, here are a list of notable geodesists, many of them which predate NASA and the American government: Mathematical geodesists before 1900 Pythagoras 580–490 BC, ancient Greece Eratosthenes 276–194 BC, ancient Greece Hipparchus c. 190–120 BC, ancient Greece Posidonius c. 135–51 BC, ancient Greece Claudius Ptolemy c. AD 83–168, Roman Empire (Roman Egypt) Al-Ma'mun 786–833, Baghdad (Iraq/Mesopotamia) Abu Rayhan Biruni 973–1048, Khorasan (Iran/Samanid Dynasty) Muhammad al-Idrisi 1100–1166, (Arabia & Sicily) Regiomontanus 1436–1476, (Germany/Austria) Abel Foullon 1513–1563 or 1565, (France) Pedro Nunes 1502–1578 (Portugal) Gerhard Mercator 1512–1594 (Belgium & Germany) Snellius (Willebrord Snel van Royen) 1580–1626, Leiden (Netherlands) Christiaan Huygens 1629–1695 (Netherlands) Pierre Bouguer 1698–1758, (France & Peru) Pierre de Maupertuis 1698–1759 (France) Alexis Clairaut 1713–1765 (France) Johann Heinrich Lambert 1728–1777 (France) Roger Joseph Boscovich 1711–1787, (Rome/ Berlin/ Paris) Ino Tadataka 1745–1818, (Tokyo) Georg von Reichenbach 1771–1826, Bavaria (Germany) Pierre-Simon Laplace 1749–1827, Paris (France) Adrien Marie Legendre 1752–1833, Paris (France) Johann Georg von Soldner 1776–1833, Munich (Germany) George Everest 1790–1866 (England and India) Friedrich Wilhelm Bessel 1784–1846, Königsberg (Germany) Heinrich Christian Schumacher 1780–1850 (Germany & Estonia) Carl Friedrich Gauss 1777–1855, Göttingen (Germany) Friedrich Georg Wilhelm Struve 1793–1864, Dorpat and Pulkovo (Russian Empire) J. H. Pratt 1809–1871, London (England) Friedrich H. C. Paschen 1804–1873, Schwerin (Germany) Johann Benedikt Listing 1808–1882 (Germany) Johann Jacob Baeyer 1794–1885, Berlin (Germany) Sir George Biddell Airy 1801–1892, Cambridge & London Karl Maximilian von Bauernfeind 1818–1894, Munich (Germany) Wilhelm Jordan 1842–1899, (Germany) Hervé Faye 1814–1902 (France) George Gabriel Stokes 1819–1903 (England) Carlos Ibáñez e Ibáñez de Ibero 1825–1891, Barcelona (Spain) Henri Poincaré 1854–1912, Paris (France) Alexander Ross Clarke 1828–1914, London (England) Charles Sanders Peirce 1839–1914 (United States) Friedrich Robert Helmert 1843–1917, Potsdam (Germany) Heinrich Bruns 1848–1919, Berlin (Germany) Loránd Eötvös 1848–1919 (Hungary) 20th century geodesists John Fillmore Hayford, 1868–1925, (US) Feodosy Nikolaevich Krasovsky, 1878–1948, (Russian Empire, USSR) Alfred Wegener, 1880–1930, (Germany and Greenland) William Bowie, 1872–1940, (US) Friedrich Hopfner, 1881–1949, Vienna, (Austria) Tadeusz Banachiewicz, 1882–1954, (Poland) Felix Andries Vening-Meinesz, 1887–1966, (Netherlands) Martin Hotine, 1898–1968, (England) Yrjö Väisälä, 1889–1971, (Finland) Veikko Aleksanteri Heiskanen, 1895–1971, (Finland and US) Karl Ramsayer, 1911–1982, Stuttgart, (Germany) Buckminster Fuller, 1895–1983 (United States)[5][better source needed] Harold Jeffreys, 1891–1989, London, (England) Reino Antero Hirvonen, 1908–1989, (Finland) Mikhail Sergeevich Molodenskii, 1909–1991, (Russia) Maria Ivanovna Yurkina, 1923-2010, (Russia) Guy Bomford, 1899-1996, (India?)[6] Antonio Marussi, 1908-1984, (Italy) Hellmut Schmid, 1914–1998, (Switzerland) William M. Kaula, 1926–2000, Los Angeles, (US) John A. O'Keefe, 1916–2000, (US) Thaddeus Vincenty, 1920–2002, (Poland) Willem Baarda, 1917–2005, (Netherlands) Irene Kaminka Fischer, 1907–2009, (US) Arne Bjerhammar, 1917–2011, (Sweden) Karl-Rudolf Koch 1935, Bonn, (Germany) Helmut Moritz, 1933, Graz, (Austria) Petr Vaníček, 1935, Fredericton, (Canada) Erik Grafarend, 1939, Stuttgart, (Germany)

The earth is not a ball wrote:

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The earth is a plane wrote:

Just over there wrote:

If I can see stuff in space with a telescope, why can't I look at Tokyo?

The reason why you can't see Tokyo from across the pacific ocean is because of the Law of Perspective.

Well yeah, no question being on the other side of the ball alters perspective.

Flat Earther Erika wrote:

Queeg 500 wrote:

The problem with asking this question is the kind of morans who claim they believe the earth is flat can claim to believe all sorts of ridiculous things in defence of their one ridiculous claim.

They could just doubt half of the world is in day when the other half is night. Maybe when you flew across the world, everyone lied about what time it is! Maybe when you watch a supposedly live event from the other side of the world in the middle of the night, it was actually filmed the previous day!

That's a real cheesy post dude. ?

Well if you don't make those claims, how do you explain them?

Difference in size and shape of Australia between surveyed land and the generally accepted flat earth map. Discuss.https://www.reddit.com/r/flatearth/comments/7of8nl/difference_in_size_and_shape_of_australia_between/

Ground Control wrote:

Here's another simple question, if the earth is flat, and maps are flat, why do all the flat earth maps (azimuthal equidistant) distort Australia, seemingly stretching it from left to right?

We know of several kinds of distortions that would result of we project a globe onto a flat map, e.g. Mercatur.

What is the source of distortion when project a flat earth onto a flat map, which should be possible simply by reducing the scale proportionally in both x and y directions?

For example:

The distance between Darwin and Adelaide is 1627 miles.

The distance between Perth and Sydney is 2040 miles.

If the earth is flat, we should be able to measure these proportionally on a flat map.

Can any flat-earther produce a map without distortion?

The biggest irony I find with different maps is the size of Greenland. On a flat map Greenland is stupidly big. Ok it's big but you have to be an idiot to think it is that big. A curved globe ball shows it's correct size.