Have you ever met a flat earth believer?

Flat Earthers are brilliant wrote:

We live in a world where you can't get a group of 5 people in a room to agree to anything. Forget about getting people to keep secrets. Yet these dolts are operating on the assumption that all Pilots, ever major government in the world, every commercial company involved in flight, the thousands of companies involved in space work, Nasa and all international space agencies are all in collusion and in a coordinated effort keeping the "flat earth truth" from the world's citizens.

Where do I sign up?

You can't comprehend that 5 people at the CIA or the NSA or the DIA or the GRO or NASA with their security clearances and their compartmentalization cannot keep secrets from the public? NASA is a federal government operation and all the space agencies in the world are government run. Damn straight they all collude.

Typo: NRO

Legit question wrote:

Typo: NRO

Do you enjoy wearing plastic bags for headgear? When you relieve yourself in a sock, do you throw it away, wash it, or let it build up until it's like a gel insole? Did you know you could sure use a breath mint?

Legitimate Answer wrote:

Are you aware that you keep rephrasing your statements? Why are you being so inconsistent with your answers? Do you have early stage dementia?

You asked me to clarify my statement - or rather rudely accused me of meaning something I didn't. So I clarified it, twice, in precisely the same way. I am completely consistent.

But to humor you, I will once again state that the sun can go behind a tree or a mountain, or seem to merge with the horizon. At no point did I imply that it goes behind it.

Your ad-hominem snark discredits your position and conceals your inability to refute these things.

Yo Legit, why do I get paid six figures to sit around and do detailed thermal design, analysis, and testing of telecommunications spacecraft all day every day? Why do thousands of my colleagues get to do the same?

And before you get all excited about NASA, this has nothing to do with them, this is all private or publicly traded enterprise. And not just US companies, companies from all over the world.

Why do these companies pay my company billions of dollars every year to put incredible effort into building these hugely complicated devices, spend many millions of dollars on a giant freaking rocket, many millions more yet to insure against that giant rocket blowing up, only to somehow crash that rocket and its payload into the ocean (or central Asia in the case of the Proton launch vehicle) undetected?

And then somehow these same companies replace the radio signals that our satellites are supposed to provide all over the world to their paying customers, with some other cockamamie technology?

Who funds all of this, and in what way do they benefit from their great expense?

^^^ the entire economy of the developed world is founded on waste. All essential functions are nearly completely automated, so to avoid massive unemployment it is necessary to invent useless, redundant, contradictory and even harmful occupations. Aerospace is just such an industry - not an important thing, a toy really, funded by the 1% of the people who have all the money.

These people don't mind investing in junk because their lives are already about collecting frivolous luxuries. Their kind would put $10 million in a barrel and set it on fire if it amused them. From their investment they get more useless junk, and that's what they want. They're not going to spend themselves into poverty crashing satellites into the ocean.

Bad Wigins wrote:

^^^ the entire economy of the developed world is founded on waste. All essential functions are nearly completely automated, so to avoid massive unemployment it is necessary to invent useless, redundant, contradictory and even harmful occupations. Aerospace is just such an industry - not an important thing, a toy really, funded by the 1% of the people who have all the money.

These people don't mind investing in junk because their lives are already about collecting frivolous luxuries. Their kind would put $10 million in a barrel and set it on fire if it amused them. From their investment they get more useless junk, and that's what they want. They're not going to spend themselves into poverty crashing satellites into the ocean.

Who are "these people" that invented the useless, redundant, contradictory, harmful Aerospace industry that you mention above?

There is one in my place at work. He seems to understand very little about physics (he says that Jupiter should be the closest planet to the sun if Newton's theory of gravity were to be true), geology, or biology and yet he thinks that he is a level above, in terms of intelligence, everyone else he works with becuase he is not being fooled by the big conspiracy.

He seems to also buy into every conspiracy theory going: 9/11 was faked, war in Ukraine is faked and just fimed on TV, military planes putting chemical trails in the air each morning over big cities, Paris attacks were faked, etc etc .....

It is frustrating to talk with him really because he keeps trying to force his BS upon you almost like a Jehovah's Witness or fundamentalist Christian.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Legitimate Answer wrote:

Are you aware that you keep rephrasing your statements? Why are you being so inconsistent with your answers? Do you have early stage dementia?

You asked me to clarify my statement - or rather rudely accused me of meaning something I didn't. So I clarified it, twice, in precisely the same way. I am completely consistent.

But to humor you, I will once again state that the sun can go behind a tree or a mountain, or seem to merge with the horizon. At no point did I imply that it goes behind it.

Your ad-hominem snark discredits your position and conceals your inability to refute these things.

Then why did you say it goes behind the horizon? Did you stop to think about it before you posted? Are you even you and am I even I and if I am a legitimate answer when why do I ask so many questions? I'm a really Alex Trebek disguised as a flamenco dancer? If time flies like an arrow then why do fruit flies like a banana?

Bad Wigins wrote:

^^^ the entire economy of the developed world is founded on waste. All essential functions are nearly completely automated, so to avoid massive unemployment it is necessary to invent useless, redundant, contradictory and even harmful occupations. Aerospace is just such an industry - not an important thing, a toy really, funded by the 1% of the people who have all the money.

These people don't mind investing in junk because their lives are already about collecting frivolous luxuries. Their kind would put $10 million in a barrel and set it on fire if it amused them. From their investment they get more useless junk, and that's what they want. They're not going to spend themselves into poverty crashing satellites into the ocean.

You've got to keep BWs comments in perspective. He's the biggest Putin fanboi on the planet. He actually thinks most Ukrainians want Russia to control their country. He believes the Russian sponsored polls showing such garabage! He's also still BUTTHURT that 'Murica beat those dirty Soviet commies to the Moon apparently. Since he knows Russians are subhuman troglodytes that are unable to compete fairly with 'Muricans he either dismisses an endevor as waste (like the aerospace industry) or he defends all the dishonorable, disgusting blatant state sponsored doping by saying US athletes are cheating too or that Russian athletes are being unfairly targeted.

BW is a transparent Russian partisan who hates America, God, and puppies. He's probably an FSB agent or informer.

1. GPS transmitting satellites are not quite "black boxes" -- they can reflect light from the sun and be observed by anyone on the ground. Non-NASA amateur astronomers with sufficiently sensitive cameras, and telescopes, can take analog photos of the sky, where the GPS satellites are supposed to be, like this photo of the night sky taken on 28-08-2012 ~ 3h00 UT where the GPS BIIR-13 was supposed to be:http://www.aspylib.com/satellites/satellites.htmlSurely, flat-earthers could go to a local astronomy club and make their own observations they could trust.2. See #1. See also the previous post for an experiment that can be done to calculate the position of GEO communications satellites (like Direct TV or Dish) with two parabolic antennas placed far apart receiving the same directed signal. Flat-earthers have already done similar calculations to determine their estimate for the altitude of the sun. You will presumably find that these pinpoint sourced TV transmissions do not come from the Indian, or any other, ocean, or from any pseudo-llite tower at any height smaller than 22000 miles.Mark Sargent formed a hypothesis, based on a lack of data from flight tracking websites, that GPS data is selectively supressed by the US government for all flights in the Southern hemisphere. This hypothesis could be strengthened by confirmation from pilots, or even passengers, with consumer GPS equipment, on flights in the Southern Hemisphere, for example a Qantas flight between Johannesburg and Syndey, taking 12 hours. Similar experiments can be done on cruise ships in the southern hemisphere. Princess has a cruise between Sydney and Pisco.3. So in other words, flat-earthers, such as yourself, actually do "NOT KNOW FOR SURE" how the whole system really works, unless they are one of the few special people that are ingrained in NASA. Note that this exclusive circle of real knowledge will increase as Europe, Russia, China, India, and Japan build their own "GPS-like" systems to eliminate the dependency on the US government for their global positioning needs.4. This is why it is so important for flat-earthers to do the right kind of experiments and observations. But if they did find evidence, would they admit it, and would other flat-earthers believe them?5. I find it ironic that one argument against a globe-earth is that pilots don't continuously point the nose of a plane down, but in a flat-earth scenario, pilots would need to make similar tiny left-right adjustments when circumventing the globe at a fixed latitude.6. I don't know about "no plane", but there are certainly some obvious human safety concerns for commercial planes attempting this on a regular basis. Many polar orbiting satellites do this many times a day, every day. Using techniques similar to those described in #1 and #2, we can also confirm the existence of polar orbiting satellites, and estimate their orbits and speed, by visual photographic observation, and indirectly by the reception of information that would be difficult to obtain with land-based pseudo-llites lacking global coverage. I would love to see flat-earth calculations, and explanations of these orbits, observable on the ground, particularly if they appear to accelerate greatly heading south, and decelerate just as greatly on the way back north.

This is amazing. The levels of self reinforcing delusion is rarely seen.

The real losers in this argument are the anti-flat earthers who idiotically reply to these trolls. Take a minute and think to yourself if a real person would honestly believe that the round earth is a hoax by NASA. Every single one of the somewhat knowledgeable flat earthers are trolls. And to be fair, they're doing a hell of a good job. It just shows haw dumb Letsrun really is, a troll thread can get hundreds, probably thousands of angry replies.

Stop posting wrote:

The real losers in this argument are the anti-flat earthers who idiotically reply to these trolls. Take a minute and think to yourself if a real person would honestly believe that the round earth is a hoax by NASA. Every single one of the somewhat knowledgeable flat earthers are trolls. And to be fair, they're doing a hell of a good job. It just shows haw dumb Letsrun really is, a troll thread can get hundreds, probably thousands of angry replies.

Isn't that great? Can't you just imagine all the trolling flat earthers and all exasperated globular googlers holding hands a sharing a Coke® and just being one big happy thousands of mindless posts human thread? If I gargle with Coke® 22 times every day will my teeth look like yours?

1. Global Positioning Systems are based on cell-tower triangulation and this accompanying video explains how it’s done.

https://youtu.be/RNHnU48E-MI

2. The next mode of propagating data is through undersea cable. As you can see on the map below, cables connect all the continents with redundancy. There’s an excellent website here that explains how undersea cable is laid and it also lists the advantages of cable versus satellites.

http://thednetworks.com/2012/03/21/how-are-undersea-cables-laid-in-the-oceans-advantages-over-satellite/

3. Satellites aren’t used because they can’t carry terabytes of data for less than a billion dollars per communication line.

The bandwidth available using a single fiber optic cable and a laser beam is much much greater than you can get from a single satellite radio channel. This is due to the higher frequency and shorter wavelength of light compared to microwaves. The higher the frequency, the greater the bandwidth.

An undersea cable is a bundle many fiber optic cables. Consider each fiber cable as a channel. You can have more channels, each with a higher capacity, than you can build radio channels into a satellite.

The uplinks and downlinks cost and putting the satellite in space is a huge huge ask and far more risky. Finally, you can fix a broken cable. Once you launch the satellite you don’t get a chance to fix it if it gets broke.

4. Besides land-based technologies, the illusion of Satellites are covered by Light-Than-Air-Vehicles (LAV), High Altitude Airships (HAA) and High Altitude Platforms (HAP).

- Lockheed Martin has built more than 8,000 lighter-than-air platforms which is a pretty significant number for that fact alone. They also have a brochure about LTA’s. Here:

https://www.scribd.com/mobile/document/274441635/Lighter-Than-Air-Brochure

LTA’s are said to reach altitudes of 70,000 ft, but 100,000 ft and higher have been attained. LTA’s also have the capability to maintain a geosynchronous position that satellites purport to do also. With the massive amount of money that NASA embezzles you can bet they’ve poured significant resources into developing these platforms. The more cost-efficient platforms, the bigger the profit margins are in NASA’s fake satellite deployments. It’s also important to remember that without the illusion of satellites and probes, NASA could not pretend to venture into the void of space to explore and reveal the wonders of the cosmos.

HAA’s, LTA’s and HAP’s can take all shapes and are mis-perceived as satellites by the gullible public. Besides High Altitude Airshsips there are HALE (High Altitude Long Endurance) stations or SPR (Stratospheric Platform Radios).

5. If that’s not enough to cast doubt on the existence of satellites check out Project Loon by Google. Their motto is “Balloon Powered Internet For Everyone” Info here:

https://www.solveforx.com/loon

6. No “Real Pictures or Video” exists proving satellites are whizzing around the globe, not a one! Think how preposterous it is that one of the other thousand plus satellites couldn’t snap a simple picture or shoot a few frames of video? We have no visual evidence of actual satellites, the only evidence offered are the sophomoric Photoshop/CGI/ Pixar images/fake artwork.

NASA cannot furnish a single actual photo or video footage of real satellites.

Don't fall for NASA's bullshit.

Which is more probable. That satellites exist but NASA seems incapable of confirming their existence or simply they do not exist at all? Occam’s Razor makes it simple. They don't exist at all!!

Show me a picture of your equipment orbiting the earth. Prove it. No photoshop or CGI please.

Btw, Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic service is never going to work.

Ground Control to Major Tom wrote:

Mark Sargent formed a hypothesis, based on a lack of data from flight tracking websites, that GPS data is selectively supressed by the US government for all flights in the Southern hemisphere. This hypothesis could be strengthened by confirmation from pilots, or even passengers, with consumer GPS equipment, on flights in the Southern Hemisphere, for example a Qantas flight between Johannesburg and Syndey, taking 12 hours. Similar experiments can be done on cruise ships in the southern hemisphere. Princess has a cruise between Sydney and Pisco.

It can be tested thus only if you assume that the physics of the southern hemisphere is the same as the northern. If the Earth is spherical, then everything in the bottom half must be upside down. At the very least that affects the air pressure at a given altitude, so that you can't expect a plane to perform similarly as in the northern hemisphere.

A better argument would be to point out that the southern hemisphere's relative lack of landmass is consistent with it being on the bottom of Earth - the missing land simply fell off. Antarctica remains because it is frozen and sticks like an icicle.

However it's just as likely that the "lack" of land is because the round Earth is merely a reverse projection. To demonstrate this, take a flat piece of paper and wrap it around the top half of a ball. If the paper is the right size, it will cover the top half and only the corners will protrude into the bottom half and cover very little of it. This is exactly what Africa and South America look like - pointy landmasses that start out big near the equator but quickly taper away as they go south. The "southern" extremes of these continents are merely opposite corners of the flat Earth projected onto a spherical surface.

Legit question wrote:

Show me a picture of your equipment orbiting the earth. Prove it. No photoshop or CGI please.

You want to see my equipment orbiting earth? Is this a fantasy of yours?