Faith Kipyegon just outkicked Genzebe Dibaba to win the Women's 1500. Here's why I think she's dirty:
And heres the problem with accusing someone with doping when he has zero proof. Why does someone like Kipyegon, who has had a long splendid career, have to fall under suspicion and be openly accused on LRC?
How would any one of you like to be accused of something that you never did, based on falling into some self created algorithm of suspicion?
This is just wrong and threads like this should be deleted just as quickly as racist or sexist ones. Why would Rojo want to put up a black page for her while dozens of others are accusing her of cheating? Make up your minds brojos.
In the views of those accusing Kipyegon, almost everyone who is running well is suspicious.
Why would you blame doping before shoes or changing training styles?
Pure envy and a complete lack of caring about the athlete involved.
Lebron dopes too. MJ did as well.
If you believe all championship athletes dope then the playing field is level so it does not matter.
If Sifan Hassan ran 4 seconds over her 800 PR for the full 1500, her PR would be 3:46.
Hassan isn't anywhere near that, even though she is the endurance type with 5,000, 10,000 titles and a marathon win.
Interesting that Kipyegon's PRs at 1,500, 3,000 and 5,000 all came early in the season in May/June which is the pattern of a doper. Offseason doping in isolated regions where it's hard to test leads to excellent indoor/early outdoor performances. Then when the season gets started and they must submit to testing regularly their performances drop off.
You are just making stuff up to fit your narrative. Kipyegon's 2 previous 1500 PRs were set in Monaco - last year and the then the previous year against Hassan. This is the venue of choice for almost everyone going for a 1500 PR.
Her 800 PR was set in September, as was her 1 mile PR. Her 1000 PR was set in August.
The only 5000 she has run was in 2015 at Pre, and yes it's her PR because she has not raced that distance since.
All 3 of her 3000s were run in May - 2 in Doha and 1 at Pre. Her PR is from 2014. She has only races these longer distances early in the season so of course that's when the PRs were set.
Not a single top male 1500 runner can do what Kipyegon did. Must be a coincidence that no male can do that. (No female either.)
Your arguments are totally illogical. You firstly argue that the top guys must all be on PEDs and now when a woman does an incredible time you suddenly seem to be suggesting that she’s the one on PEDs and the top guys aren’t because obviously if she can do what they can’t then they can’t all be doping. It’s just purely cherry picking without a sound argument.
Steroid and androgen drugs work more powerfully on females so you may see more incredible gains, depending on what they are using
This list won't bother Letsrun bigots because the athletes are all black. Now try it with Jakob Ingebrigtsen and Laura Muir (or better still, Hobbs Kessler and Katie Tuohy) and watch them meltdown with indignation.
It sucks to watch a championship race and immediately think "that's BS", but that's exactly what I felt after that performance.
So predictable it can be programmed:
const currentWR = 3:50.07; const winningTime = ""; const lameRationale = "S/he's Kenyan! No one can run that fast without doping!"
if (winningTime < currentWR) { console.log("S/he cheated! S/he's a doper, because ${lameRationale}!); }
Fortunately, no one cares a whit what you think.
Hmmm, how about just this...
She just bettered by around a second, the WR of a woman who after running said WR never got within 5 seconds of it ever again, coincidentally after her coach was nearly sent to jail after he was found with a refrigerator full of performancing enhancing drugs at a training camp she was at.
Which of course was the WR that beat the time of a woman who also never ran within 5 seconds of it ever again, and was an athlete of a coach who claimed to "supplement" his athletes with "turtle blood".
And that of course was the WR which obliterated the performance of a Soviet Bloc athlete from 1980 - in the midst of the most well known and infamous era of systematic anabolic doping in track and field history.
So this is why it's predictable. It's predictable because it's fair and not unreasonable to be sceptical of world records in any event of any gender. Highly sceptical. Kipyegon being Kenyan has nothing to do with it. Sorry, nice try.
const currentWR = 3:50.07; const winningTime = ""; const lameRationale = "S/he's Kenyan! No one can run that fast without doping!"
if (winningTime < currentWR) { console.log("S/he cheated! S/he's a doper, because ${lameRationale}!); }
Fortunately, no one cares a whit what you think.
It's predictable because it's fair and not unreasonable to be sceptical of world records in any event of any gender.
Right. Damn shame message boards and social media weren't around to set the record straight when Ryun, Beamon, Moorcroft, et al. were doing their thing.
Faith Kipyegon just outkicked Genzebe Dibaba to win the Women's 1500. Here's why I think she's dirty:
1. She ran a 1:57 final 800 meters. That's absurd.
2. She out kicked a runner who's under a HUGE cloud of suspicion; in fact, she totally destroyed her. If you're that much better than a likely druggie - how in hell did you get there?
3. Kipyegon's coach (Bram Som of the Netherlands) also coaches Abeba Aregawi who was busted for Meldonium use. I think there's 0% chance that Aregawi's use was not known by Som, and likely that she's on a whole stew of PEDs - just got busted for that one. One dirty athlete under a coach makes the others very suspect.
4. There's horribly ineffective drug testing in Kenya - we are hearing more and more about how prevalent and common PED usage is among top athletes there. After a performance like this, there's no reason to assume she's simply "more talented".
It sucks to watch a championship race and immediately think "that's BS", but that's exactly what I felt after that performance.
Theyre not micro dosing.Thats a myth.Theyre full on large dose doping,and its either being ignored,or covered up.Sport is very corrupt,and its ultimately about entertainment,and escapism.People like to see world records,and gold medals.Most countries are either part of it,or they turn a blind eye.
The chance that women running sub 4, let alone run sub 3:55, sub 3:50 are doping is way higher of course than women running 4:15 for example.
But when running fast alone makes an athlete dirty for you, you can as well stop following T&F.
I always hope that mostly athletes are doping who are close to excellence and that there are natural super talents, that reach the top without drugs and so do not feel the need to dope. But of course that is just my hope as a sports fan.
Faith Kipyegon just outkicked Genzebe Dibaba to win the Women's 1500. Here's why I think she's dirty:
1. She ran a 1:57 final 800 meters. That's absurd.
2. She out kicked a runner who's under a HUGE cloud of suspicion; in fact, she totally destroyed her. If you're that much better than a likely druggie - how in hell did you get there?
3. Kipyegon's coach (Bram Som of the Netherlands) also coaches Abeba Aregawi who was busted for Meldonium use. I think there's 0% chance that Aregawi's use was not known by Som, and likely that she's on a whole stew of PEDs - just got busted for that one. One dirty athlete under a coach makes the others very suspect.
4. There's horribly ineffective drug testing in Kenya - we are hearing more and more about how prevalent and common PED usage is among top athletes there. After a performance like this, there's no reason to assume she's simply "more talented".
It sucks to watch a championship race and immediately think "that's BS", but that's exactly what I felt after that performance.
You've just fabricating a fake phony narrative of an insecure, threatened inadequate to fit your agenda. There's more EVIDENCE to support her performance than your picking, stringing, stretching, tied, spotty concoction.
Even if Dibabab was taking why would she become the measure beyond which it means you're taking? Would an amateur taking with a hobby jogger PR be the measure beyond which it would mean literally all the top 500 in the world are taking? This indicates to me that you need for some reason to pull down, be in control of, be the determinant of the measure of these people, their performance, their abilities and their reality, ultimatel, I guess, because theirs a relative narcissist/egotistic reason for you to do so.
In this new era I think its really not as simple as saying ‘this person is doping’. Standards across the entire sport have risen so much and its largely because of the shoes, so there is a strong argument that standard at the top will be pushed up as a result. At this early stage in the season there are 20 people who have ran under 13.50 for 5k in the UK as opposed to only 10 people for the entire year of 2013, not to mention the 45 year olds running under 30 for 10k. Fact is with the shoes now you can train a lot harder and recover a lot quicker. Ten years a go if you trained on the track in spikes like victories or matumbos you would almost certainly feel it in your legs the next day, likewise if you did a steady or threshold run in flats. Now your legs feel very little tightness and you could get away with doing another harder run or session. She could well be doping but theres also a strong possibility she isn’t. Also where do you draw the line? Is 3.55 doping or clean – so Laura Muir is the cleanest fast athlete?
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