HEPS Cross Country 2012

Yeah, I'm curious on how Erickson's recruits will deal with the new throwing coach (no announcement yet on who that will be, but I don't think it will be a volunteer coach) but she also recruited her volunteer assistant (and former All-Ivy thrower for Harvard) Jack Brady to Northeastern with her.

Harvard usually doesn't release their track rosters until closer to the start of indoor season.

BRF, in regards to your comment about recruiting football players for track, I was under the impression that it is a very small percentage of sprinters who also do football in the fall. I only know of John Spooney of Brown who did both in recent years, but can anyone name others? I know many football coaches are reluctant to allow their players to do track because they are afraid of the players getting injured. I know that happened to Harvard star running back Clifton Dawson back in 2004 at Indoor Heps at Cornell (granted, rumor has it Clifton only did track because the workouts were easier than the off-season football practices).

The info I had gotten (though maybe third-hand) was that Erickson was being replaced by a grad student (volunteer?)--at least for now--and that H's whole coaching arrangement was being restructured. This info seemed supported when I heard that JS was coaching only one sex in cross, with someone else coaching the other.

I honestly forgot about sprinters coming from football, and had been thinking about throwers instead!--especially embarrassing, because I was at Syracuse when star running back (and Big East sprint champ) Joe Morris was there.

A grad student? Who? This guy?

http://gocrimson.com/sports/track/coaches/bayley_tim

Doesn't help that there isn't anything on the coach bio for him, but I am pretty sure he came from Iona and he is a mid-distance runner guy:

http://www.icgaels.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=14900&ATCLID=822621

The only other volunteer listed is Brian Hill, who is a mid-distance guy.

http://gocrimson.com/sports/track/coaches/index

I just wonder who is coaching the throwers now...

C/M Runner wrote:

A grad student? Who? This guy?

http://gocrimson.com/sports/track/coaches/bayley_tim

Doesn't help that there isn't anything on the coach bio for him, but I am pretty sure he came from Iona and he is a mid-distance runner guy:

He's British, ran for Iona and is a sub-4 miler. His wife is Pricilla Bayley, who I believe coaches the women.

C/M Runner wrote:

A grad student? Who? This guy?

http://gocrimson.com/sports/track/coaches/bayley_tim

Doesn't help that there isn't anything on the coach bio for him, but I am pretty sure he came from Iona and he is a mid-distance runner guy:

http://www.icgaels.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=14900&ATCLID=822621

The only other volunteer listed is Brian Hill, who is a mid-distance guy.

http://gocrimson.com/sports/track/coaches/index

I just wonder who is coaching the throwers now...

Sorry, can't give you any more info that what I was told--which could well have been wrong: that, in line with the big restructuring of the coaching staff, the throwers would be coached by a grad student (possibly volunteer).

I did get the sense that it was likely to be a temporary arrangement, just for the year (or part of the year), probably until a high-level replacement could be found. Obviously there's a fair amount of musical-chairs going on among the Ivy staffs just now...where/how does Brown get a "replacement" for Michelle Eisenreich?

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Different topic: I see that I can no longer post comments on HTC. I wish someone would let Brett know that one of his recent posts misspelled Van Cortlandt Park--I know typos bother him!

BRF wrote:

Obviously there's a fair amount of musical-chairs going on among the Ivy staffs just now...where/how does Brown get a "replacement" for Michelle Eisenreich?

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Tim Springfield got promoted to interim director of the programs, but nothing yet for the throws.

Apparently Brown has lost THREE coaches so far this year: Eisenreich (to Stanford), Jones (to Columbia), and Marc Mangiacotti (to Harvard)

http://www.browndailyherald.com/mobile/team-loses-third-coach-in-six-weeks-1.2775515

C/M Runner wrote:

Apparently Brown has lost THREE coaches so far this year: Eisenreich (to Stanford), Jones (to Columbia), and Marc Mangiacotti (to Harvard)

And the game of musical chairs continues!

I'm really hoping Cornell holds on to its current staff. I'm sure that N. Taylor has had opportunities...and he's not the only one I'm worried about.

Harvard announced Mangiacotti today, as well as announcing their new throwing coach (Andrew Dubs from UNC) and some other internal restructuring.

http://gocrimson.com/sports/track/2012-13/releases/TFMW121009TrackCoachesHired

Saretsky - Director of Programs, men distance

Kebba Tolbert - Associate Head Coach, women sprints/hurdles, jumps, hept

Priscilla Bayley - Asst Coach/Recruiting, mid-distance, women distance

Brenner Abbott - Asst Coach, Pole vault, high jump, dec

Marc Mangiacotti - Asst Coach, men sprints/hurdles

Andrew Dubs - Asst Coach, throws

Tim Bayley and Brian Hill - volunteer coaches

Will be fun to see how this years' hopefully healthy Harvard mens squad does at Wisconsin on Friday, along with many of the other Ivy teams. Wish I could be there.

Not just "hopefully healthy Harvard", but also "hopefully A-teams" of all of the other teams (except for Penn who will be staying local).

I'm curious on how the frosh will do in this meet. I took a look at the results from all of the schools so far. From my viewing, it looks like the top female rookies are Cornell's Caroline Kellner and Dartmouth's Christie Rutledge (Rutledge bested Kellner at Paul Short Gold race). Yale's Emily Stark could keep up with them as well. I'm mainly basing this from the Paul Short actual results compared to general placing from other meets.

As for the males, Penn's top spots have gone to their frosh as Brendan Smith and Thomas Awad have led their team so far. It's hard to compare them with the other results as they have not had much overlap with the other Ivies yet... Princeton seems to be relying more on their upperclassmen as they have not been bringing many of the frosh to the upper tier races (or they haven't raced the frosh). I'm keeping an eye on Columbia's Dustin Wilson, Princeton's Luke Brahm, and Yale's Kevin Dooney though for this weekend, just to see how they compare to each other.

Feel free to correct me or inform me on this. This is just based on what I was able to learn from many small breaks while working.

Dana Giordano from Dartmouth finished less than a second behind Christie Rutledge and also beat Kellner. She's also one to watch. Last year, she was third in both the indoor nationals 2 mile and the outdoor nationals, running 10:16 for the full deuce.

Also, another freshman male to watch is Curtis King, who ran 24:46 at Paul Short in the open race and would have scored for Dartmouth. Last year he ran 4:12 and 9:04 at the Washington State Meet.

C/M, thanks for the link. Yeah, I'd classify H's new setup as a "major restructuring"--for people (there were some) who thought that new coaching was needed, this goes pretty far in that direction!

I confess that I'm not particularly enthusiastic about this weekend's Wisco meet: yet another pre-emption of Heps. (I liked how the what-ifs used to build up through the season's dual/tri meets, and then Heps settled everything.) However, I do understand the necessity of amassing "pushing points" in the current qualifying structure for the NCAA meet. I'm sure Heps will be a big deal anyway, with plenty of teams trying to upset the form charts established by Short/Wisco.

Meanwhile, with the forecast of decent weather I may be heading to West Windsor *this* Saturday. The Columbia and Cornell JVs should be there, along with plenty of other colleges' first and/or second teams:

http://www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=46850&SPID=4261&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205707514&DB_OEM_ID=10600

Should be an interesting meet and a good day of cross-country! I believe there's been some rain in the Princeton area; we'll get to see how the course has handled it.

dont forget wrote:

Dana Giordano from Dartmouth finished less than a second behind Christie Rutledge and also beat Kellner. She's also one to watch. Last year, she was third in both the indoor nationals 2 mile and the outdoor nationals, running 10:16 for the full deuce.

Also, another freshman male to watch is Curtis King, who ran 24:46 at Paul Short in the open race and would have scored for Dartmouth. Last year he ran 4:12 and 9:04 at the Washington State Meet.

Ahh... I forgot about the PS Open Race. Thanks for the info on King and Giordano, I'll add them to my personal list.

Penn's team morale seems to be better than last year. It seems Dolan is taking a stronger stance on keeping the team healthy and the team is already raving on the how much better the workouts are now.

http://www.thedp.com/article/2012/10/penn-cross-country-finding-its-own-fountain-of-youth

http://www.thedp.com/article/2012/10/for-new-coach-dolan-health-of-runners-a-top-priority

C/M Runner wrote:

Penn's team morale seems to be better than last year. It seems Dolan is taking a stronger stance on keeping the team healthy and the team is already raving on the how much better the workouts are now.

http://www.thedp.com/article/2012/10/penn-cross-country-finding-its-own-fountain-of-youthhttp://www.thedp.com/article/2012/10/for-new-coach-dolan-health-of-runners-a-top-priority

I love this. Hard to imagine a better coach. Thanks for sharing. Explains a lot about his success at Princeton, doesn't it?

Some team photos for Wisco entrants are up on HTC. I notice that K. Kellner seems to be missing for the Cornell women--any word on that?

[...unless she's in the photo and I missed her. Sorry, white women tend to look alike to me. She's not the one third from right, is she? I thought she was taller...]

I think she is the 3rd from the right after looking at her roster photo. But I agree: the whole team looks alike as they all have similar shades of brown hair. Perhaps it isn't the best quality of photos, lol.

According to Twitter, Yale's XC teams are still on the plane en route to Wisconsin. Cutting it close, aren't they?

C/M Runner wrote:

According to Twitter, Yale's XC teams are still on the plane en route to Wisconsin. Cutting it close, aren't they?

These Friday meets are a scourge. What, are the athletes supposed to miss Thursday AND Friday classes every couple of weeks, all season long? Or, if you're unwilling to make them miss Thursday AM classes, do you always end up "cutting it close"?

Or did some of these teams actually fly out on *Wednesday* PM--missing however many afternoon and evening classes in the process? Grrr...

I was not a fan of Princeton's "no home contests on Fridays" rule at the 2011 Heps--perhaps for obvious reasons--but I'm becoming converted.