“My favorite thing about winning, is everyone else losing”
Cite one thing that Jakob has said that comes anywhere close to this, you can’t, because it doesn’t exist. Kerr is NOT the best until someone beats him in a championship. That is not how this sport works, you are the only one who thinks that, and I have already refuted you on this already and somehow you keep bringing things back to Jakob when I have barely even mentioned him in my main argument. Do you love Jakob or something, do you want to do stuff with him?
That is precisely how this sport works. It's the WC and Olympics in the history books. The world only cares about track during those events. WRs are also amazing, but they get taken down over time. Jakob is the ultimate Diamond League king I'll give him that, but that just means he's the best when there are pacers and lights to follow. Kerr can trash talk all he wants until someone takes him down when it counts.
Rooting for Cheruiyot or Nuguse to win. I’m tired of hearing all this talk about who is the best or who sucks based on one win. Both of them are more than likely to not cause a bunch of BS
6th 3rd 5th and finally 1st. Near perfect yet he has failed to get top 2 until last year. I also already conceded in this thread that if he won the olympics I would call him the best in the world. His 2 mile was paced for 90%, without Fisher he would have certainly run multiple seconds less. He did not dominate the 3k either, dominating is pushing the pace not running a fast final lap to pass the leader in the final 100. Pre was not the biggest event of the year despite what you americans like to say or hype on about. It was a good win yet he has been nowhere to be seen the last 2 months? The best event of the year so far for the 1500 was easily Monaco by a landslide. 3:26.73, 3:28.71, 3:28.80 and 3:29.1 for the top 4.
Listen, I am fine with his schedule, it’s his own plan and he can do as he pleases. But to continually say “i am the best 1500m runner in the world” and say other things that bring down his competitors are laughable at best.
World Indoors and Millrose are also only equivalent to a diamond league as well in terms of competition, don’t get started on that grand slam BS.
Jakob femboys have had no problem with Jakob consistently undermining his competition and making excuses when he loses, yet when the world champ who has since not lost to Jakob asserts his confidence publicly you get salty. Kerr is the best until someone beats him in a global championship. He's allowed to trash talk. He earned it.
Winning a championship does not earn you the right to trash talk everyone
That is precisely how this sport works. It's the WC and Olympics in the history books. The world only cares about track during those events. WRs are also amazing, but they get taken down over time. Jakob is the ultimate Diamond League king I'll give him that, but that just means he's the best when there are pacers and lights to follow. Kerr can trash talk all he wants until someone takes him down when it counts.
I mean of course he can talk. But IF he loses in Paris all of Jakob’s frank trash talk is going to sting extra. World Indoors 3k on home soil was memorable, and Pre was a marquee victory. But running 3:43/3:26 in the DL final or Monaco to beat Jakob, taking him down at Europeans etc. are the sort of signature wins that could fly in the face of him calling him the next guy, lucky or whatever. Paris is now very all-or-nothing and we’ll see how Grand Slam Track shakes it up for him in 2025.
That is precisely how this sport works. It's the WC and Olympics in the history books. The world only cares about track during those events. WRs are also amazing, but they get taken down over time. Jakob is the ultimate Diamond League king I'll give him that, but that just means he's the best when there are pacers and lights to follow. Kerr can trash talk all he wants until someone takes him down when it counts.
I mean of course he can talk. But IF he loses in Paris all of Jakob’s frank trash talk is going to sting extra. World Indoors 3k on home soil was memorable, and Pre was a marquee victory. But running 3:43/3:26 in the DL final or Monaco to beat Jakob, taking him down at Europeans etc. are the sort of signature wins that could fly in the face of him calling him the next guy, lucky or whatever. Paris is now very all-or-nothing and we’ll see how Grand Slam Track shakes it up for him in 2025.
Thats why im not a fan of trash talking. The athlete thinks it helps their own head game but they inevitably build unnecessary extra pressure on themselves. Kerr probably thinks (and he's probably right) that he's in Jakob's head, so that's the reason for the $hit talking. Let's see who walks the talk. But agree if Kerr loses to him it'll sting even more. Would be funny if neither of them got gold.
Well Kerr did pull away ever so slightly. u will need to replay it to see it more carefully, it doesn't come easy. armstrong is right. Jakob was maxxed out too, he didn't sandbag. he didn't even have any energy to move out wide at least to possibly overtake kerr because he was maxxed out.
To be fair, Kerr has raced more in 2024, he made the effort so give him some props. as to all the trash talking i believe it was Jakob who started it first. Jakob had emotional issues losing the budapest race he was dealing with. Couldn't handle it like man and resorted to throwing dumb shots are Kerr calling him 'next guy'.
Josh kerr opened up about a 5-10cm gap on Jakob and maintained that all the way to the line in the last bend at 90m mark in the prefontaine mile. Jakob couldn't close it moreover couldn't filter right out wide to prepare any overtaking. Last lap was 53.x seconds, faster than any of the 54 and 55 seconds Jakob has ran his sub 3:30 1500m this year at Oslo and Monaco. Euros he was outside 3:30 so his 53 second close doesn't count since it's a slower time.
Whoever can close a 3:27 and 3:28 race in 53, or even 52 I believe must have the upper hand for gold. Only 2 man can do that and those were the same 2 who came top 2 at prefontaine mile. But for me, i think Josh has the slight edge just because he has a faster 800m pb and could have run 1:45:00 at british trials 800m final if he didn't fall down.
Josh kerr opened up about a 5-10cm gap on Jakob and maintained that all the way to the line in the last bend at 90m mark in the prefontaine mile. Jakob couldn't close it moreover couldn't filter right out wide to prepare any overtaking. Last lap was 53.x seconds, faster than any of the 54 and 55 seconds Jakob has ran his sub 3:30 1500m this year at Oslo and Monaco. Euros he was outside 3:30 so his 53 second close doesn't count since it's a slower time.
Whoever can close a 3:27 and 3:28 race in 53, or even 52 I believe must have the upper hand for gold. Only 2 man can do that and those were the same 2 who came top 2 at prefontaine mile. But for me, i think Josh has the slight edge just because he has a faster 800m pb and could have run 1:45:00 at british trials 800m final if he didn't fall down.
Jakob leads from the front, they are on pace for 3:28 and Kerr sits tightly on his shoulder with 200 left. Who you got?
So you are telling me that all he needs to run so far to be the “best in the world” is an Oregon relays 800, Pre Mile, and the UK champs 800m where he fell, and he is somehow the best 1500m runner in the world?
The one above has to be one of the worst takes ever. While you are talking about the 1500, it can't be forgot he has run a 2-mile WR this year and also DOMINATD the 3000 at world indoors.
But for the 1500:
1) He is the defending world champ.
2) He showed up in the biggest mile fo the year and kicked everyone's ass at Pre.
3) He's going to the Olympics. If he wins that, he's clearly the #1 1500 guy in the world.
Here is another HORRIBLE take:
Kerr Hater wrote: He has a spotty track record in world and olympic finals and even moreso in regular season races
Kerr has literally run his seasonal best time at the global championships in each of the last 4 championships 2019, 2021, 2022 and 2023. The guys track record in global finals is near perfect.
Do I wish he'd race a little more? Sure. Not doing the DL finale is a joke but he's gonna have at least 4 big races this year.
Millrose, World Indoors, Pre and Olymipcs. There's your Grand Slam track right there.
You forgot to add one more terrible take by many of the guys on here. They said Kerr didn't pull away from Jakob in the final 100m of the prefontaine mile and i'm like seriously? Are the guys all myopic or with cataract? It was so obvious to me maybe because I'm trained in sniper school but anyway please look at video below from 3:36 to 3:40 when the moment Kerr just casually pumped his arms and open his stride up and straight away a 5-10cm gap on Jakob appeared. Looks imperceptible but it exist, and that's the point. Jakob couldn't response and his legs had more ground contact time with the track surface than Kerr and suffered more wear and tear. Suspect it's the achilles injury causing irregular rhythm in his stride patterns but Kerr's stride was pitter patter pitter patter smoothly, spent most of his time in the air and not on the ground.
Jakob might even seem to be limping slightly as I notice my eyes got confused with his stride pattern throughout the race as I couldn't entrain (latch on) onto his stride rhythm easily and that's a tell-tale sign of weakness. Can't have any such irregularities at the very top and expect to win gold like that. Kerr had none of that and my eyes easily entrained on his.
The bowerman mile did not dissapoint. 3.45 for a British Record for josh kerr. To win the diamond league in hayward field; prefontaine classic in eugene oreg...
Josh kerr opened up about a 5-10cm gap on Jakob and maintained that all the way to the line in the last bend at 90m mark in the prefontaine mile. Jakob couldn't close it moreover couldn't filter right out wide to prepare any overtaking. Last lap was 53.x seconds, faster than any of the 54 and 55 seconds Jakob has ran his sub 3:30 1500m this year at Oslo and Monaco. Euros he was outside 3:30 so his 53 second close doesn't count since it's a slower time.
Whoever can close a 3:27 and 3:28 race in 53, or even 52 I believe must have the upper hand for gold. Only 2 man can do that and those were the same 2 who came top 2 at prefontaine mile. But for me, i think Josh has the slight edge just because he has a faster 800m pb and could have run 1:45:00 at british trials 800m final if he didn't fall down.
Jakob leads from the front, they are on pace for 3:28 and Kerr sits tightly on his shoulder with 200 left. Who you got?
That would be Kerr. It may be harder to judge if the race gets any faster like 3:27. But I think 3:28 is right around the likely final result at Paris. Otherwise it'll probably be 3:29 again.
The one above has to be one of the worst takes ever. While you are talking about the 1500, it can't be forgot he has run a 2-mile WR this year and also DOMINATD the 3000 at world indoors.
But for the 1500:
1) He is the defending world champ.
2) He showed up in the biggest mile fo the year and kicked everyone's ass at Pre.
3) He's going to the Olympics. If he wins that, he's clearly the #1 1500 guy in the world.
Here is another HORRIBLE take:
Kerr Hater wrote: He has a spotty track record in world and olympic finals and even moreso in regular season races
Kerr has literally run his seasonal best time at the global championships in each of the last 4 championships 2019, 2021, 2022 and 2023. The guys track record in global finals is near perfect.
Do I wish he'd race a little more? Sure. Not doing the DL finale is a joke but he's gonna have at least 4 big races this year.
Millrose, World Indoors, Pre and Olymipcs. There's your Grand Slam track right there.
You forgot to add one more terrible take by many of the guys on here. They said Kerr didn't pull away from Jakob in the final 100m of the prefontaine mile and i'm like seriously? Are the guys all myopic or with cataract? It was so obvious to me maybe because I'm trained in sniper school but anyway please look at video below from 3:36 to 3:40 when the moment Kerr just casually pumped his arms and open his stride up and straight away a 5-10cm gap on Jakob appeared. Looks imperceptible but it exist, and that's the point. Jakob couldn't response and his legs had more ground contact time with the track surface than Kerr and suffered more wear and tear. Suspect it's the achilles injury causing irregular rhythm in his stride patterns but Kerr's stride was pitter patter pitter patter smoothly, spent most of his time in the air and not on the ground.
Jakob might even seem to be limping slightly as I notice my eyes got confused with his stride pattern throughout the race as I couldn't entrain (latch on) onto his stride rhythm easily and that's a tell-tale sign of weakness. Can't have any such irregularities at the very top and expect to win gold like that. Kerr had none of that and my eyes easily entrained on his.
Just being objective here. These are what my sniper academy eyes see. If you are myopic, fret now, I'm here to sincerely point out what you cannot see:
1) Kerr did pulled away from Ingebrigtsen at Prefontaine mile even if by a little bit and the latter gave up and even had to dip his head at the finish line. He was well spent.
2) Kerr had a better running stride from start to finish. Less ground contact time and more air time which is beneficial for running fast and kicking. Ingebrigtsen was clearly limping on and favoring one of his legs as one of his legs don't seem to cycle through properly from ground contact to the next time it hits the ground again. There seems to be premature landing due to overcompensation and imbalance on one side of his leg which I imagine is the achilles injured one. This improper cycling of his legs leads to loss of air time and more time spend on the ground. He is unable to 'take flight' as well as Kerr. Kerr was really flying, he had a flying stride, you can see it best from final 400m to 300m and final 300m to 150m when the camera pans directly on both Kerr and Ingebrigtsen's stride rhythm.
It's all these tiny little details and fine margins that makes all the difference. The difference between Trump being alive and dead is not even 1mm, but 0.1mm and less. The differences between Kerr and Ingebrigtsen stride becomes magnified because the consequences are severe. Like very severe, just read this ancient wisdom below will you?
"For want of a nail the shoe was lost, for want of a shoe the horse was lost; and for want of a horse the rider was lost; being overtaken and slain by the enemy, all for want of care about a horse-shoe nail"
Just being objective here. These are what my sniper academy eyes see. If you are myopic, fret now, I'm here to sincerely point out what you cannot see:
1) Kerr did pulled away from Ingebrigtsen at Prefontaine mile even if by a little bit and the latter gave up and even had to dip his head at the finish line. He was well spent.
2) Kerr had a better running stride from start to finish. Less ground contact time and more air time which is beneficial for running fast and kicking. Ingebrigtsen was clearly limping on and favoring one of his legs as one of his legs don't seem to cycle through properly from ground contact to the next time it hits the ground again. There seems to be premature landing due to overcompensation and imbalance on one side of his leg which I imagine is the achilles injured one. This improper cycling of his legs leads to loss of air time and more time spend on the ground. He is unable to 'take flight' as well as Kerr. Kerr was really flying, he had a flying stride, you can see it best from final 400m to 300m and final 300m to 150m when the camera pans directly on both Kerr and Ingebrigtsen's stride rhythm.
It's all these tiny little details and fine margins that makes all the difference. The difference between Trump being alive and dead is not even 1mm, but 0.1mm and less. The differences between Kerr and Ingebrigtsen stride becomes magnified because the consequences are severe. Like very severe, just read this ancient wisdom below will you?
"For want of a nail the shoe was lost, for want of a shoe the horse was lost; and for want of a horse the rider was lost; being overtaken and slain by the enemy, all for want of care about a horse-shoe nail"
Just being objective here. These are what my sniper academy eyes see. If you are myopic, fret now, I'm here to sincerely point out what you cannot see:
1) Kerr did pulled away from Ingebrigtsen at Prefontaine mile even if by a little bit and the latter gave up and even had to dip his head at the finish line. He was well spent.
2) Kerr had a better running stride from start to finish. Less ground contact time and more air time which is beneficial for running fast and kicking. Ingebrigtsen was clearly limping on and favoring one of his legs as one of his legs don't seem to cycle through properly from ground contact to the next time it hits the ground again. There seems to be premature landing due to overcompensation and imbalance on one side of his leg which I imagine is the achilles injured one. This improper cycling of his legs leads to loss of air time and more time spend on the ground. He is unable to 'take flight' as well as Kerr. Kerr was really flying, he had a flying stride, you can see it best from final 400m to 300m and final 300m to 150m when the camera pans directly on both Kerr and Ingebrigtsen's stride rhythm.
It's all these tiny little details and fine margins that makes all the difference. The difference between Trump being alive and dead is not even 1mm, but 0.1mm and less. The differences between Kerr and Ingebrigtsen stride becomes magnified because the consequences are severe. Like very severe, just read this ancient wisdom below will you?
"For want of a nail the shoe was lost, for want of a shoe the horse was lost; and for want of a horse the rider was lost; being overtaken and slain by the enemy, all for want of care about a horse-shoe nail"
3:26.73. That's all that needs to be said.
On your cue I went to watch the Monaco 3:26 race to see if there were any improvements from Ingebrigtsen's stride rhythm and good news for you yes there was. His rhythm from head to toe was much less sluggish than Prefontaine mile maybe it's because he returned back to home in Sandness to train at sea level as compared to when he was holed up in a foreign land in Flagstaff at altitude and couldn't really adjust as well as back home at sea level.
I could hardly detect any limp or other problems in Ingebrigtsen's stride, maybe a slight limp every time he negotiates all the bends but on the straightways he is flying like Kerr and my sniper eyes easily entrained on his rhythm effortlessly. There were too many objects in the infield in Monaco stadium which hindered my ability to really 100% assess how Ingebrigtsen moved and I struggled a little. The race video was bad below.
I'm pleasantly happy for Ingebrigtsen if training back at home at sea level has done him a wonder of good. He will be a real threat to Kerr which would be good for the sport.
He said those tinted glasses are for psychologically intimidating Ingebrigtsen and the other athletes which I'm sure it does because every time I talk to somebody who doesn't remove their tinted sunglasses I don't feel like I'm having an equal conversation with him or her. I feel like he or she has a foot up on me, some advantage I'm unsure of.
Jakob leads from the front, they are on pace for 3:28 and Kerr sits tightly on his shoulder with 200 left. Who you got?
That would be Kerr. It may be harder to judge if the race gets any faster like 3:27. But I think 3:28 is right around the likely final result at Paris. Otherwise it'll probably be 3:29 again.
If 3:27 I'll give it to Jakob because Kerr would really have to run out of his skin and there is just hanging on that point and no kick to deploy.
Just being objective here. These are what my sniper academy eyes see. If you are myopic, fret now, I'm here to sincerely point out what you cannot see:
1) Kerr did pulled away from Ingebrigtsen at Prefontaine mile even if by a little bit and the latter gave up and even had to dip his head at the finish line. He was well spent.
2) Kerr had a better running stride from start to finish. Less ground contact time and more air time which is beneficial for running fast and kicking. Ingebrigtsen was clearly limping on and favoring one of his legs as one of his legs don't seem to cycle through properly from ground contact to the next time it hits the ground again. There seems to be premature landing due to overcompensation and imbalance on one side of his leg which I imagine is the achilles injured one. This improper cycling of his legs leads to loss of air time and more time spend on the ground. He is unable to 'take flight' as well as Kerr. Kerr was really flying, he had a flying stride, you can see it best from final 400m to 300m and final 300m to 150m when the camera pans directly on both Kerr and Ingebrigtsen's stride rhythm.
It's all these tiny little details and fine margins that makes all the difference. The difference between Trump being alive and dead is not even 1mm, but 0.1mm and less. The differences between Kerr and Ingebrigtsen stride becomes magnified because the consequences are severe. Like very severe, just read this ancient wisdom below will you?
"For want of a nail the shoe was lost, for want of a shoe the horse was lost; and for want of a horse the rider was lost; being overtaken and slain by the enemy, all for want of care about a horse-shoe nail"
3:26.73. That's all that needs to be said.
Lolz means very little when he can't run that without a pacer or lights, and when he doesn't have the best raw speed in the bunch.
That would be Kerr. It may be harder to judge if the race gets any faster like 3:27. But I think 3:28 is right around the likely final result at Paris. Otherwise it'll probably be 3:29 again.
If 3:27 I'll give it to Jakob because Kerr would really have to run out of his skin and there is just hanging on that point and no kick to deploy.
Fair enough. But for Jakob to run 3:27 alone from the front after 2 fast rounds is really a tough ask. Even el g ran with a pacer for the 99 seville up till 800m at least. He ran 3:27:65. If that's the time Ingebrigtsen is aiming to run alone after 2 rounds then I don't know what to think. He will open himself up to all sorts of attacks from the pack.