Stride Report Podcast says they've heard from multiple sources (though not a done deal yet) Hilda Olemomoi ends up transffering to Florida to reunite with her old coach Will Palmer. if she does that would be the best replacement for Parker Valby possible. She has 1 season of track and 2 seasons of XC eligibility left.
The main guy there also said the coaches he talked to expect a crazy summer between coaching changes, further transfers, and potential changes to olympic sports at schools and scholarship allotments
There's talk of unlimited scholarships. That'll change the landscape quickly.
Great for the SEC/B1G not so great for less wealthy schools.
The main guy there also said the coaches he talked to expect a crazy summer between coaching changes, further transfers, and potential changes to olympic sports at schools and scholarship allotments
There's talk of unlimited scholarships. That'll change the landscape quickly.
Great for the SEC/B1G not so great for less wealthy schools.
Can't NIL get around it, especially at publics (cough, cough, Tennessee)? And it wouldn't count as a scholarship for title IX regulation
NIL and unlimited scholarships produce the same results... no limits
the schools with NIL money are the SEC/B1G schools.... the schools that can afford unlimited scholarships are the SEC/B1G school.
A free market needs to be in place to hold bidding wars between schools. It could be called BidenCare, or they can sell naming rights like Qatar Airline Athletic Slaves Trading Market. As long as they pay taxes, this should get unanimous approval from the government.
Have Florida women ever won the cross-country Championship? Bring back ‘gators5eva’ Valby for one more season, and it could happen.
if Valby doesn't make the Olympic team I wonder if she comes back just for XC. not much happening in pro track and field during the fall and winter. at least it'll give her something to do.
While technically yes this is true it’s more likely that roster limits (that people will be shocked at) will be put in place and the sports go head count up to whatever your roster limit is. If your school can’t afford say, 25 full rides for a track roster you could make it up with NIL.
While technically yes this is true it’s more likely that roster limits (that people will be shocked at) will be put in place and the sports go head count up to whatever your roster limit is. If your school can’t afford say, 25 full rides for a track roster you could make it up with NIL.
If a school can't afford full/unlimited scholarships (up to roster limits or head counts or whatever) they won't have the NIL funding to make it up.
The schools with the heavy NIL are the schools with money to fully fund... same same... SEC/B1G.
While technically yes this is true it’s more likely that roster limits (that people will be shocked at) will be put in place and the sports go head count up to whatever your roster limit is. If your school can’t afford say, 25 full rides for a track roster you could make it up with NIL.
If a school can't afford full/unlimited scholarships (up to roster limits or head counts or whatever) they won't have the NIL funding to make it up.
The schools with the heavy NIL are the schools with money to fully fund... same same... SEC/B1G.
It's gonna happen.
There won’t be unlimited scholarships because every school will have a roster limit. So the word is football is actually going to be 85 (which is their current allotment of scholarships). We don’t know cross and track numbers yet but say it’s 12 for cross country. And if it does go head count then a school can fully fund at 12 scholarships. Some will. Some won’t. Some will use NIL. But - at the end of the day you aren’t going to have more than 12 runners on your cross team. So while it sure seems that those with deeper pockets will benefit more - you’ll actually create parity because you can’t hoard distance runners. Now, the flip side is - you don’t have room to carry walk-on types to develop so less opportunity.
So as much as people scream how everything is about being fair to these athletes, paying them, etc - all they’ve done is create a system with less opportunity for high school kids. But, hey, at least you can pay a football player $1 million if you want.
If a school can't afford full/unlimited scholarships (up to roster limits or head counts or whatever) they won't have the NIL funding to make it up.
The schools with the heavy NIL are the schools with money to fully fund... same same... SEC/B1G.
It's gonna happen.
There won’t be unlimited scholarships because every school will have a roster limit. So the word is football is actually going to be 85 (which is their current allotment of scholarships). We don’t know cross and track numbers yet but say it’s 12 for cross country. And if it does go head count then a school can fully fund at 12 scholarships. Some will. Some won’t. Some will use NIL. But - at the end of the day you aren’t going to have more than 12 runners on your cross team. So while it sure seems that those with deeper pockets will benefit more - you’ll actually create parity because you can’t hoard distance runners. Now, the flip side is - you don’t have room to carry walk-on types to develop so less opportunity.
So as much as people scream how everything is about being fair to these athletes, paying them, etc - all they’ve done is create a system with less opportunity for high school kids. But, hey, at least you can pay a football player $1 million if you want.
Not disagreeing with you but are you saying they are now going to say XC has a scholarship allotment for every school? And they are going to make it a head count sport that only allows 12 (or whatever) and separate it from track ?
I will be surprised if they give XC their own scholarships if that is what you are saying. (Everyone except a few of us seem to be against that idea.)
I had heard they were going to make track a head count sport but hadn't been told they are going to limit numbers (no walk ons).
My point about NIL is that the schools who can't fund a full slate of scholarships (whatever that number ends up being) will not be able to use NIL to make up the difference because only the wealthy universities will have the NIL money to do it with.
As for creating parity... I do disagree with you... there is absolutely no way the drivers behind this are trying to create parity... they are trying to do the exact opposite of creating parity.
Regardless of all that, I do agree with you that exactly what will happen is in the long run there will be fewer opportunities for these kids, not more... the only schools that will be able to keep up will be the SEC/B1G schools and other heavily funded schools.
(heck look at the post above yours... all those SJS kids are going to end up at Arkansas... great for those kids but not so great for the SJS program.)
Roster limits are limits. That’s going to happen 100%. And completely agree parity isn’t the driver - survival is. Remember - once this court case is settled schools can pay athletes. Money has to come from somewhere. Fewer student athletes means you can maybe save programs. That’s the stark reality. So you limit rosters across all sports. You won’t see walk-ons.
If the NCAA does go head count for all these sports then XC would have to have its own allotment. It would be the same for track. I doubt you see a total combined number between the two sports higher than 40 and the women’s numbers will undoubtedly be higher than the men’s (insert your Title IX gripe here). Schools that can fund a full for every roster spot will. Schools with great NIL collectives will be able to make up where the can’t and supplement on top of it. Remember - NIL is not paid by the school - schools can now revenue share but unless something else changes it’s not NIL. Sure bigger schools probably have bigger collectives but there are a lot of smaller schools who have done well.
The parity piece is honestly just a by-product of schools not being able to carry huge rosters. At the end of the day if schools are able to keep from cutting programs (not just track but any non-revenue sport) it will be worth it. Ideal? Hell no but unfortunately necessary.
Roster limits are limits. That’s going to happen 100%. And completely agree parity isn’t the driver - survival is. Remember - once this court case is settled schools can pay athletes. Money has to come from somewhere. Fewer student athletes means you can maybe save programs. That’s the stark reality. So you limit rosters across all sports. You won’t see walk-ons.
If the NCAA does go head count for all these sports then XC would have to have its own allotment. It would be the same for track. I doubt you see a total combined number between the two sports higher than 40 and the women’s numbers will undoubtedly be higher than the men’s (insert your Title IX gripe here). Schools that can fund a full for every roster spot will. Schools with great NIL collectives will be able to make up where the can’t and supplement on top of it. Remember - NIL is not paid by the school - schools can now revenue share but unless something else changes it’s not NIL. Sure bigger schools probably have bigger collectives but there are a lot of smaller schools who have done well.
The parity piece is honestly just a by-product of schools not being able to carry huge rosters. At the end of the day if schools are able to keep from cutting programs (not just track but any non-revenue sport) it will be worth it. Ideal? Hell no but unfortunately necessary.
If there are strict roster limits that will actually be enforced, that changes my outlook substantially on things. I hope you are correct but I will believe it when I see it.
As for NIL, I just don't believe the fans of the smaller schools will have the longevity needed to sustain anything meaningful. They just don't care as much as your SEC fan base and they will soon realize that they shouldn't be paying the bills for this anyway.
Again, I hope you are correct with your assessment but I think the majority of D1 schools will end up with club or D3 set up. Academia will just decide they don't need sports because they aren't helping drive enrollment
Have Florida women ever won the cross-country Championship? Bring back ‘gators5eva’ Valby for one more season, and it could happen.
if Valby doesn't make the Olympic team I wonder if she comes back just for XC. not much happening in pro track and field during the fall and winter. at least it'll give her something to do.
Returning to FL for fall base-building and more team trophies makes complete sense to me. Even if Valby competes in Paris, she'll be a non-factor in either the 5 or 10 and viewers worldwide will see little of her on the screen. She appears to dig her setup in Gainesville and now has someone close to her level to hang with and possibly push her in training.
The question Why should Lemngole stay? seems pertinent now. If AL doesn't sign an AA-caliber athlete this summer, will DL remain content not having another woman of her class to train with?
Roster limits are limits. That’s going to happen 100%. And completely agree parity isn’t the driver - survival is. Remember - once this court case is settled schools can pay athletes. Money has to come from somewhere. Fewer student athletes means you can maybe save programs. That’s the stark reality. So you limit rosters across all sports. You won’t see walk-ons.
If the NCAA does go head count for all these sports then XC would have to have its own allotment. It would be the same for track. I doubt you see a total combined number between the two sports higher than 40 and the women’s numbers will undoubtedly be higher than the men’s (insert your Title IX gripe here). Schools that can fund a full for every roster spot will. Schools with great NIL collectives will be able to make up where the can’t and supplement on top of it. Remember - NIL is not paid by the school - schools can now revenue share but unless something else changes it’s not NIL. Sure bigger schools probably have bigger collectives but there are a lot of smaller schools who have done well.
The parity piece is honestly just a by-product of schools not being able to carry huge rosters. At the end of the day if schools are able to keep from cutting programs (not just track but any non-revenue sport) it will be worth it. Ideal? Hell no but unfortunately necessary.
So it just dawned on me that roster limits will be a loser in court, like everything else , due to restraint of trade issues.
If an SEC school (or whomever)wants to carry extra people and pay them via NIL there is no way roster limits will hold up in court.
Roster limits are limits. That’s going to happen 100%. And completely agree parity isn’t the driver - survival is. Remember - once this court case is settled schools can pay athletes. Money has to come from somewhere. Fewer student athletes means you can maybe save programs. That’s the stark reality. So you limit rosters across all sports. You won’t see walk-ons.
If the NCAA does go head count for all these sports then XC would have to have its own allotment. It would be the same for track. I doubt you see a total combined number between the two sports higher than 40 and the women’s numbers will undoubtedly be higher than the men’s (insert your Title IX gripe here). Schools that can fund a full for every roster spot will. Schools with great NIL collectives will be able to make up where the can’t and supplement on top of it. Remember - NIL is not paid by the school - schools can now revenue share but unless something else changes it’s not NIL. Sure bigger schools probably have bigger collectives but there are a lot of smaller schools who have done well.
The parity piece is honestly just a by-product of schools not being able to carry huge rosters. At the end of the day if schools are able to keep from cutting programs (not just track but any non-revenue sport) it will be worth it. Ideal? Hell no but unfortunately necessary.
So it just dawned on me that roster limits will be a loser in court, like everything else , due to restraint of trade issues.
If an SEC school (or whomever)wants to carry extra people and pay them via NIL there is no way roster limits will hold up in court.
Basically EVERYTHING the NCAA can do now is antitrust. It seems like they've just thrown their hands up and will let it sort itself out