Probably because they know that only a few very foolish individuals think that whoever holds the faster time is/was the better runner.
What is better for you then? Medals that are conditional?
Only a truly mentally incapacitated creature like yourself would discriminate faster individuals to make a textbook runner like yourself feel better. What's next? Sub-13:00 5K is less impressive than a Sub-18:00 5K?
This is why world records are relevant. You can debate hypotheticals all you want but who ran the fastest is who ran the fastest. Makes me wonder why Jakob, Kipling etc don’t set up wr attempts more.
Samuel Wanjiru is only the 99th fastest marathoner of all time at present. Times aren't everything.
Jakob has no PB in 10,000m, Half, or the Marathon. As for XC, XC is boring and a waste of time.
So let's focus in the events they both have raced. 1500-Mile-2000-3000-Two Miles-5000
Jakob wins 4-2. Nevermind the fact that his 5000m wasn't some time trial effort like Bekele's 12:37 was.
There’s “rearranging the rules to suit your argument,” and then there’s “we should ignore all but one of your guy’s best events but we will count 1500 and mile separately, and 3000 and two miles separately because I need to do that to make it seem like my guy has a clear advantage.”
Although you are clearly being ignorant purposely for reference. For those thinking Jakob isn't relative to Bekele and shouldn't be compared due to age
Bekele ran 12:37 when and had 8 golds(including xc) when he was about Jakob's age now.
100m, Mile, and Marathon are the universally known prestigious events. Nobody at the global level cares for 5K/10K. Might as well start telling the gold medalist for the 20 km Racewalk.
Want me to start pulling up the names of the athletes he beat in xc? Guarantee they were world Olympic finalists on the track in the respective years.
Bekele 2002 world xc:
Luke Kipkosgei-
12:56 in 2000
3k bronze medalist
John Yuda Msuri:
2002 bronze world half marathon And bronze commonwealth 10k
Bekele world xc 2003:
John Kibowen -
Former 2 time world xc winner and 2001 5k bronze medalist
Patrick Ivuti -
4th Sydney 10k
2ndin 1999 world xc behind tergat
Sihine: bronze and silver in prior two global championship 10ks
(Look at how many silvers he has going forward) from 2003
Tadese:
2004 bronze 10k
Bekele 2004 world xc:
Charles Kamathi : 2001 10k gold
Kipchoge - not describing him lmao
Not even going to keep researching this. World xc back then was littered with track medalists and I know I am missing some key names from the time period. If you're argument is no one cares about those events on the track now that was very much not the case in the early 2000s. They even clearly cared about XC. How else will you discredit the king? Try again
Lagat was turning 35 that year. I don't know about you, but I can not think of a Distance Runner at 35 that was good.
Farah wasn't a kicker until a couple of years later...even then, he was only a kicker when the races were much slower than 13:17...
Kipchoge was never famous for his kick. Don't even lie. His 2003 Gold was 6 years before this race.
Tegenkamp had no shot
Bronze Medalist is unknown.
Solinsky hit his peak 1 year later and even admitted in the letsrun interview that his kick was only good if the pace increased in the final 400. Bekele kicked with 1K to go.
And the rest are certainly not kickers when the pace drops below 13:30. They're not going Sub-54.
Stop making a nobody look good. You paint s*it with Gold. It's still sh*t.
There’s “rearranging the rules to suit your argument,” and then there’s “we should ignore all but one of your guy’s best events but we will count 1500 and mile separately, and 3000 and two miles separately because I need to do that to make it seem like my guy has a clear advantage.”
So what's next for you, princess? Is Walmsley a better ultramarathoner than Jakob just because Walmsley has ran an Ultra.
I just think you're scared to admit your impoverished runner that comes from a sh*thole, Is not as good as the politically correct police want to make him be.
Jakob is better, he'll continue to get better and will obliterate the WRs. Cry yourself to sleep.
Want me to start pulling up the names of the athletes he beat in xc? Guarantee they were world Olympic finalists on the track in the respective years.
Bekele 2002 world xc:
Luke Kipkosgei-
12:56 in 2000
3k bronze medalist
John Yuda Msuri:
2002 bronze world half marathon And bronze commonwealth 10k
Bekele world xc 2003:
John Kibowen -
Former 2 time world xc winner and 2001 5k bronze medalist
Patrick Ivuti -
4th Sydney 10k
2ndin 1999 world xc behind tergat
Sihine: bronze and silver in prior two global championship 10ks
(Look at how many silvers he has going forward) from 2003
Tadese:
2004 bronze 10k
Bekele 2004 world xc:
Charles Kamathi : 2001 10k gold
Kipchoge - not describing him lmao
Not even going to keep researching this. World xc back then was littered with track medalists and I know I am missing some key names from the time period. If you're argument is no one cares about those events on the track now that was very much not the case in the early 2000s. They even clearly cared about XC. How else will you discredit the king? Try again
That is not what I suggested. I meant by the average populice of 8 Billion Humans. Who holds the records or medals in events other than the 100m, Mile, or Marathon...are irrelevant. Only people in the small community of running — ever so slightly care. Jakob is the best, go cry to your mom.
Want me to start pulling up the names of the athletes he beat in xc? Guarantee they were world Olympic finalists on the track in the respective years.
Bekele 2002 world xc:
Luke Kipkosgei-
12:56 in 2000
3k bronze medalist
John Yuda Msuri:
2002 bronze world half marathon And bronze commonwealth 10k
Bekele world xc 2003:
John Kibowen -
Former 2 time world xc winner and 2001 5k bronze medalist
Patrick Ivuti -
4th Sydney 10k
2ndin 1999 world xc behind tergat
Sihine: bronze and silver in prior two global championship 10ks
(Look at how many silvers he has going forward) from 2003
Tadese:
2004 bronze 10k
Bekele 2004 world xc:
Charles Kamathi : 2001 10k gold
Kipchoge - not describing him lmao
Not even going to keep researching this. World xc back then was littered with track medalists and I know I am missing some key names from the time period. If you're argument is no one cares about those events on the track now that was very much not the case in the early 2000s. They even clearly cared about XC. How else will you discredit the king? Try again
That is not what I suggested. I meant by the average populice of 8 Billion Humans. Who holds the records or medals in events other than the 100m, Mile, or Marathon...are irrelevant. Only people in the small community of running — ever so slightly care. Jakob is the best, go cry to your mom.
Alarmingly obtuse should be your username. By your own metrics Jakob is irrelevant he hasn't run a marathon doesn't hold the world record for the mile and would never be good at the 100m distance.
First it was that no one relevant ran cross country back then. Now it's only three races matter lol. Why do you even follow the sport?
Lagat was turning 35 that year. I don't know about you, but I can not think of a Distance Runner at 35 that was good.
Farah wasn't a kicker until a couple of years later...even then, he was only a kicker when the races were much slower than 13:17...
Kipchoge was never famous for his kick. Don't even lie. His 2003 Gold was 6 years before this race.
Tegenkamp had no shot
Bronze Medalist is unknown.
Solinsky hit his peak 1 year later and even admitted in the letsrun interview that his kick was only good if the pace increased in the final 400. Bekele kicked with 1K to go.
And the rest are certainly not kickers when the pace drops below 13:30. They're not going Sub-54.
Stop making a nobody look good. You paint s*it with Gold. It's still sh*t.
Didn't Lagat at age 41, 6 years after this race win the US Olympic trials with a sub 53 last lap? I think if he wasn't tripped in 2012 he had a chance to beat Farah... He definitely still had the speed in 2009
There’s “rearranging the rules to suit your argument,” and then there’s “we should ignore all but one of your guy’s best events but we will count 1500 and mile separately, and 3000 and two miles separately because I need to do that to make it seem like my guy has a clear advantage.”
So what's next for you, princess? Is Walmsley a better ultramarathoner than Jakob just because Walmsley has ran an Ultra.
I just think you're scared to admit your impoverished runner that comes from a sh*thole, Is not as good as the politically correct police want to make him be.
Jakob is better, he'll continue to get better and will obliterate the WRs. Cry yourself to sleep.
You forgot to address the issue that was actually raised.
Seriously? Bekele married an Ethiopian movie star.
A Global nobody marrying an even lesser nobody.
Because Ingebrigtsen's girlfriend is well renowned around the world? LOL your obvious bias is so laughable, it makes Coevett seem reasonable. Hard to see facts clearly with Jakob's nuts all over your face?
Lagat was turning 35 that year. I don't know about you, but I can not think of a Distance Runner at 35 that was good.
Farah wasn't a kicker until a couple of years later...even then, he was only a kicker when the races were much slower than 13:17...
Kipchoge was never famous for his kick. Don't even lie. His 2003 Gold was 6 years before this race.
Tegenkamp had no shot
Bronze Medalist is unknown.
Solinsky hit his peak 1 year later and even admitted in the letsrun interview that his kick was only good if the pace increased in the final 400. Bekele kicked with 1K to go.
And the rest are certainly not kickers when the pace drops below 13:30. They're not going Sub-54.
Stop making a nobody look good. You paint s*it with Gold. It's still sh*t.
-Lagat was world champion in both the 1500 and 5000 in 2007 (bekele not doubling that year) and ran his 5k PR two years later than this race, in 2011 at 37yo.
-Kipchoge WR at 39? Or just Lagat as shown above
-Kipchoge, even though he is not remembered as a kicker, had a great kick.
-Is this a competition for the dumbiest poster on Let's Run?
Whatever you consider prime Bekele and prime Jakob to be, who wins in a championship 5k? I'm taking Jakob for the same reason I'm taking a prime Farah over Bekele. Bekele isn't fit enough to drop them at a fast pace, and he's not fast enough to drop them in a kick.
Bekele closed a 12:57 race in the Beijing heat in 53.0, leading for the whole last 2k clicking off 59-60 laps before sprinting away from Lagat and Kipchoge (both runners who have some level of GOAT claim). He ran 12:37 and 26:17, still #2 all-time despite improvements in shoe technology and pacing lights. He won 3 Olympic golds in dominant fashion and fast times, losing only once in a slow race to the undisputed 1500 GOAT. He also won 5 world golds, once again losing only once in a fast race to the undisputed marathon GOAT. He won ELEVEN cross country world titles at the senior level. He ran 12:40s-12:50s like clockwork, routinely closing in 52-53 seconds. Jakob would be lucky to be on screen as Bekele finishes.
What's your blind nostalgia for past runners? It's 2023, I promise you Bekele has long moved on.
We are just claiming that 12:37 (KB) runners and 26:22 runners (KB) and 3:28 runners (Mo Farah) would still be able to run today with the current crop of athletes who have, in many cases, slower PRs.
Since many of the current PRs are slower, the facts are on our side. Cheptegei is the exception, but we have seen how he can be inconsistent.
-Is this a competition for the dumbiest poster on Let's Run?
Good question. Can a poster be banned for stupidity? Code5800 is the worst...
The idea that the athlete with the better PR could not "hang" with the person who has a slower PR is so weird. It is also strange to refer to the person with more medals, more range, and more WR setting races as the less impressive runner. I am not sure Code5800 is entirely well (mentally speaking).
p.s. This is a good troll thread though since we are all falling for this guy's dumb posts.
Of course Bekele could beat Ingebrigtsen in a championship. He’s the greatest 5k runner of all time and had the tools to deal with any athlete in any type of race. That’s not to say Jakob could never beat him, but you’ve framed it like Bekele would have no hope of winning which is insane.
Take these two, add Farah, El G, Kipchoge, Cheptegei, Lagat, etc. to the field, and run the race 100 times. All of them are winning at least once, but Bekele is winning the most. For now he’s still the GOAT.
