Holt has run marginally faster than this outdoors at 1500M..3:35.80..once
He has run 8 miles in past 3 years indoors..this is that fastest by 3 seconds.. You are telling me, this track is worth 1 second? Don't go by what guys run in or on any given day like today..even 3 UW guys PR'ed some by over 2 secs..
Boler a NJ HS'er ran 4:09.15 at the Armory a couple weeks ago..he ran 4:04.x today at BU , just another example, he is not a 1:51 or sub 9 minute yards guy..I don't think
Go back to the day of 52..I guarantee..25 of them ran faster by more than 2 seconds faster than they ever had.
I am telling you .. I think there are way more examples of guys who have never run within 2 secs of what they have at BU..than not
He’s also run 3:36 a couple times outdoors and a 3:54.0 mile outdoors too. A second is a lot, nothing to scoff at. What about the UW guys that ran *worse* than they did on their home track. I’m not denying there’re guys who drop more time at BU, but there is more to it than just the track. It is a place where you go to run fast and often the setups are better than at the Armory. I was at Millrose for that Boler mile and it was tactical, unpaced, and anyone watching could tell you the top 3 were going to destroy their times in a fast race where they weren’t closing sub-60.
Schumacher is not a great miler's coach. He is a great 5000m coach, and his athletes do quite well at proximate distances, 3k and 10k. They tend to go mid 3:30s, 3:34-37, in the 1500m (Jerry's own distance, if I recall correctly).
Her PB is 30:51, she isn't dropping 52 seconds in a year no matter how good a year she's having. I'm very skeptical that Andrews can pace at 15 minutes. That's basically a race effort for her (PB is 14:51), and she's being asked to go 6k. I'm almost certain this will be paced for 30:40, so 15:20 for Andrews
Agree. I don't think Robby Andrews could run 15:00 through 5km, let alone his wife.
He’s also run 3:36 a couple times outdoors and a 3:54.0 mile outdoors too. A second is a lot, nothing to scoff at. What about the UW guys that ran *worse* than they did on their home track. I’m not denying there’re guys who drop more time at BU, but there is more to it than just the track. It is a place where you go to run fast and often the setups are better than at the Armory. I was at Millrose for that Boler mile and it was tactical, unpaced, and anyone watching could tell you the top 3 were going to destroy their times in a fast race where they weren’t closing sub-60.
This. BU is a fanastic track that is definitely worth something versus other tracks. But there is more going into those records going down there than just the track and people forget the setup. Looking at records there in the last two years- Nuguse had *two* pacers who both did a pretty good job leaving Nuguse with just over 1k to run solo. L. Stafford had good pacing 1:32 through 600m leaving her 400m and the setup to negative split. Fisher had pacing for 3600m/5000m and had Ahmed and Scott to run away from. DeBues-Stafford had official pacers for 2km, then shared leads with Frerichs and Cranny before chasing Cranny only taking the lead until 150m to go. Only one that stands out as being more of a solo dash was Josh Kerr's 1500/mile double where he only had a pacer through 800m and had to really make the record happen himself.
The only record from the last two seasons then where there wasn't pacing for 60-70% or more of the race for the record setter was Kerr. And no disrespect to Teare, but when it comes to 1500m pedigree and experience Teare is not in the same conversation as late 2021 early 2022 at the moment. Kerr also stands out as the only record that wasn't run at the beginning of the indoor season when athlete's are most fresh rather than towards the end.
Ryan Wilson (senior at D3 MIT) runs 1:46 for the win and the national D3 #1 ranking by some distance. Awesome run! That said, I've seen speculation on this thread about how much BU's track helps times at the mile and up. Anyone done any comparisons/analysis on how much faster people run at 800m as compared to other track?
I wouldn’t say this. Jager ran 332 under his total tutelage, and look back at Wisconsin results. What milers has he had, and of the 5k crew, how many race primed 1500/mile races? Teare running 3:50 under Oregon yielded 13:12 and 7:38. But I guarantee the 3:52 (has already brought 7:34, but) will also turn into sub-13 soon.
I’d rephrase it to say Schumacher doesnt train his guys to run a blazing indoor mile. I’d put faith in him to go sub-350 and match Justyn Knight’s 5k PB outdoors.
Just a little bit of research would lead you to the fact that Boler ran 4:09.15 at Millrose with a 2:10.57 first half. He closed in 1:58.58. In the process he beat both Devan Kipyego(4 flat outdoors) and Clay Shively(Recently ran 4:04 at Arkansas). The 4:04 he just ran at BU is not a surprise at all. With regards to why so many fast times occur at BU you have to consider the circumstances. When you have hundreds of the top runners in the country coming to the same location all with the same goal of running fast, you are destined to come out with some crazy times. When you look at videos of the first few heats of the mile at Valentine and the Last chance meet you immediately see that the races are single file with a pacer up front. A setup like this is perfect for quick times. There is no doubt that the track is fast, however there are so many other circumstances that need to be considered
Boler from Delbarton in NJ, ran 4:04.x..his previous best was 4:09.15? I never wanted to say this, and your PR is your PR..but BU is 1.5-2 seconds fast at the mile for almost everyone. There are just way too many examples of guys never running within 2-3 seconds of the BU mark..ever..not in or out or 1500M converted from. There are plenty of examples of guys who have run their BU mark elsewhere or even multiple times..there are way, way more guys who have nothing like it in their portfolio. The shoes are the shoes..everyone wears them now..BU though..is BU alone LOL.
Hard disagree on this, Boler ran 4:09 closing in 1:58 to win Milrose, he clearly had this fitness.
Just a little bit of research would lead you to the fact that Boler ran 4:09.15 at Millrose with a 2:10.57 first half. He closed in 1:58.58. In the process he beat both Devan Kipyego(4 flat outdoors) and Clay Shively(Recently ran 4:04 at Arkansas). The 4:04 he just ran at BU is not a surprise at all. With regards to why so many fast times occur at BU you have to consider the circumstances. When you have hundreds of the top runners in the country coming to the same location all with the same goal of running fast, you are destined to come out with some crazy times. When you look at videos of the first few heats of the mile at Valentine and the Last chance meet you immediately see that the races are single file with a pacer up front. A setup like this is perfect for quick times. There is no doubt that the track is fast, however there are so many other circumstances that need to be considered
Beat me to it, good analysis
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Right now on the sound running instagram it says it's the 10k is being paced for 15:07 for women and 13:35 for men. Clearly someone is requesting that, but is it Elise or Alicia?
Ryan Wilson (senior at D3 MIT) runs 1:46 for the win and the national D3 #1 ranking by some distance. Awesome run! That said, I've seen speculation on this thread about how much BU's track helps times at the mile and up. Anyone done any comparisons/analysis on how much faster people run at 800m as compared to other track?
Today, Sharif from UConn went 1:46.96? losing to that DIII guy..who ran 1:46.61 ..Sean Dolan from Nova beat Sharif easily by 1.2 yesterday..I guess he goes sub 1:46..he certainly is not getting beat by any of those guys LOL.
OAC first again. BTC fourth and dropping fast. Kind of remarkable how the wheels seemed to have come off as soon as Shelby was busted.
What a terrible take.
You're eimplying that they are off the sauce and not doing well. That's just not factual at all.
Since Sheby was busted, Mo Ahmed won an Olympic medal in the 5000. Fisher put up on the greatest seasons in US history last year, running 728, 1246 and 2633. And Elise Cranny almost broke the 10,000 record with a 30:14.