10k is not middle distance and Jakob is faster than Farah in both 1500m and 5000m. Coe might still have an edge on Jakob, but not by the time Jakob is done.
Mo didn’t time trial. But he absolutely would’ve wiped the floor with Jakob.
Mo won with big sprints in very close finishes at the end of his 5ks.
Jakob seems to win easily, easing away in the last 200k to open big gaps
David Rudisha was world class at 800m only but his career is still more impressive than Aouitas. This is athletics, not a circus.
Of course I'm a bit bias given my LRC handle, BUT, are you seriously saying that Rudisha's career was more impressive than Aouita's? Mulitple WR's at various distances, Oly Champ, World Champ, and a career that spanned from 1983-1989 at the highest level. The dude ran 1:43 in 1988 near the END of his career.
Wake up dude! You need to be better than that.
It's clearly a matter of preference, but Rudisha has twice as many olympic golds and twice as many WC golds as Aouita. Aouita only competed indoors in 1989, so had 5 legit years, just like Rudisha. And 1:43.86 is nice, but 1:40.91 is much nicer :)
His official 800 PB is 1:47.18 from 1995. Sure he could have run faster, but we’ll never know by how much and the above is a list of combined results, not speculation.
No shame in that but Jakob is turning 22 in a week and I see him limited in his turnover which means he will likely not run faster at 1500m than he has. Then he will probably continue to be a sub 13 and sub 27 man who occasionally wins a global championship for a few more years. This is his ceiling, so best possible personal bests would be 12:40 and 26:25. A pretty good career one might say.
Wow you're such a big big man making a useless prediction. Put money on the table, like Vegas, and see if you're still a big big man. Wimp!
Does that mean he was a better middle distance runner than Aouita?
You should google "middle distance". It begins with 800m and ends with 5000m.
5000m is long distance. In terms of the classic middle distance events, we are talking about the championship distances of 800 and 1500, with the mile thrown in due to its history and tradition. 3000m is sort of in 'No Man's Land'.
Aouita had the greater range but he won no titles over 800, 1500 or 10k. He also never broke the mile WR and won only a single Olympic medal (albeit gold). In terms of the classic middle distance events, Coe's record is peerless. He won titles over 800m, 2 Olympic golds over 1500m and broke the mile WR 3 times, more than anyone else since WW2. He also broke more WRs than Aouita in total.
The point was about middle distance, that's 800 to the Mile.
Coe obviously is the best in this spectrum in history.
Probably Coe is the best but it is interesting that if you add up their 800m and 1500m bests (which doesn’t prove too much), Coe has 5:11.50 and Asbel Kiprop has 5:09.84. Just saying…
That's a silly comparison because it is obviously weighted in favour of the 1500m specialist. There is approx 1.4 secs between them (in Coe's favour) over 800m, and a 3 sec advantage for Kiprop over the longer distance. You have to use IAAF/WA scoring tables for each performance to get a fairer and reliable comparison. If you use this to compare 800 and 1500m times for the all-time best (highest scorers), Coe and Kiprop come out equal top.
The fact Kiprop was busted for EPO is also of relevance, as that is clearly going to give a bigger advantage over the longer distance. It should also preclude Kiprop from even being in the conversation.
Probably Coe is the best but it is interesting that if you add up their 800m and 1500m bests (which doesn’t prove too much), Coe has 5:11.50 and Asbel Kiprop has 5:09.84. Just saying…
Morceli, Aouita, El G, and likely others have faster combined times than Coe
No, none of those listed have faster combined times over 800 and 1500m than Coe. They are all slower. Yet it is not the times but the value of the times using the IAAF/WA scoring tables that is a far better and fairer way to compare. And with this way of comparison Coe still comes out on top.
Probably Coe is the best but it is interesting that if you add up their 800m and 1500m bests (which doesn’t prove too much), Coe has 5:11.50 and Asbel Kiprop has 5:09.84. Just saying…
That's a silly comparison because it is obviously weighted in favour of the 1500m specialist. There is approx 1.4 secs between them (in Coe's favour) over 800m, and a 3 sec advantage for Kiprop over the longer distance. You have to use IAAF/WA scoring tables for each performance to get a fairer and reliable comparison. If you use this to compare 800 and 1500m times for the all-time best (highest scorers), Coe and Kiprop come out equal top.
The fact Kiprop was busted for EPO is also of relevance, as that is clearly going to give a bigger advantage over the longer distance. It should also preclude Kiprop from even being in the conversation.
So Kiprop and Coe are at the top of the middle distance heap when it comes to combined performances and Kiprop might have run on slightly faster tracks and Kiprop was busted. Thank you for pointing out the Coe should be under SUSPICION. I wasn’t going to bring it up but thank you for interjecting this into the discussion and you are correct that Coe should be considered suspicious. I wish you hadn’t gone there.
El G is more than 3.77 secs faster than Coe based on 1500k PRs. (3:26.00 vs. 3:29.77)
Hence is 800m time only needs to better 1:41.73 + 3.77 =1:45.50 to better Coe on combined times.
I believe his PR is indeed faster than 1:45.50 -- but cannot confirm this.
You are probably right on the other two -- forgot just how fast Coe's 800m PR is
No, EL G wasn't 'more than 3.77 secs faster' than Coe, he WAS exactly 3.77secs faster.
No, EL G's pb was nowhere near 1:45.5, it was 1:47.18.
Thus Coe's combined time for the 2 events is faster, but more significantly, his combined points on the scoring tables is far higher than EL G's. In fact EL G is no. 40 on the all time list of combined 800/1500 athletes in terms of the points acquired for times.
Coe has 1:41 PB in the 800m but his pivot time is 1:44
This is his consistent time.
He broke 1:44 nine times. In fact he ran his 3rd fastest ever (1:43.07) in 85, when he had one of his worst years and his 4th fastest (1:43.38), when he was 32 and way past his best. It was a different era then and the circuit didn't have pacers going through the bell in 50 flat in each race like now. He could run 1:44 in his sleep, and had he been competing now in the form he displayed between 79 and 86, he would have run many 1:42's and 1:43's. He was certainly in 1:42 low shape when winning silvers in Moscow and LA and the European gold in 86.
El G's mile WR is 23 years old now. In the 23 years prior to 1999, the mile WR was broken 7 times. In the 23 years prior to that, it was broken 11 times. Something is off about that.