How many Cuban civilians died at the hands of US soldiers during the Cuban Missile Crisis?
Zero Cubans died. That has nothing to do with it. The Cubans are alive because the Russians pulled out their missiles, something Ukraine and the US ignored for YEARS.
Zero Ukrainians would be dead now, if the US has pulled out their missiles as well, but ignore that fact please.
The difference isn't the amount dead, it is the missiles. You don't get that. The US had every right to be pissed at Russia for Cuba, the same as Russia has every right to be pissed at the US and Ukraine.
Let's play your non-dead Cuban theory out future cause the US was so nice to basically take away all support to Cuba. That is essentially the same as taking over the country. And if you still don't understand that, see how you would do if the gov surrounded your house and gave you no ability to leave.
The difference is the Cuba couldn't defend itself like Ukraine can today, OR Cuba and the US would have gone to war as well. And if that blockade lasted years the same way that Russia has told the US to stop arming Ukraine, many many Cubans would have died. BUT Russia was the bigger smarter country back then, unlike the US today.
If the US truly cared about dead Ukrainians, they would stop supplying Ukraine weapons for a war that they won't win and will destroy their country in the meantime. That is fact!
Ok so to be clear.
Cuba = zero civilians dead at the hands of the (purported) aggressors: USA
Ukraine = tens of thousands of civilians at the hands of the aggressors: Russia
Amazing how genius this argument is: "if [country x] would just surrender and let themselves be conquered by murderous invaders, the war would be over! This is the best way to end bloodshed: appeasement!"
Hey Earnest, Vietnam will buy your Russian oil and pay in dong, and I don’t mean the currency.
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Good job using the search function. Of course any LRC regular knows that all off those are tributes to the original Webb is Back, Baby! meme. So in the process of defending another paid Russian troll, you just managed to out yourself as well.
Amazing how genius this argument is: "if [country x] would just surrender and let themselves be conquered by murderous invaders, the war would be over! This is the best way to end bloodshed: appeasement!"
Polling shows most Democrats would run away before they fought if we were invaded. Why do you expect the Ukrainians to do something you wouldn't do in a million years?
Sending every last Ukrainian to their deaths in a proxy war no one in NATO is willing to shed 1 drop of their own blood for isn't as noble as you seem to think.
Zero Cubans died. That has nothing to do with it. The Cubans are alive because the Russians pulled out their missiles, something Ukraine and the US ignored for YEARS.
Zero Ukrainians would be dead now, if the US has pulled out their missiles as well, but ignore that fact please.
The difference isn't the amount dead, it is the missiles. You don't get that. The US had every right to be pissed at Russia for Cuba, the same as Russia has every right to be pissed at the US and Ukraine.
Let's play your non-dead Cuban theory out future cause the US was so nice to basically take away all support to Cuba. That is essentially the same as taking over the country. And if you still don't understand that, see how you would do if the gov surrounded your house and gave you no ability to leave.
The difference is the Cuba couldn't defend itself like Ukraine can today, OR Cuba and the US would have gone to war as well. And if that blockade lasted years the same way that Russia has told the US to stop arming Ukraine, many many Cubans would have died. BUT Russia was the bigger smarter country back then, unlike the US today.
If the US truly cared about dead Ukrainians, they would stop supplying Ukraine weapons for a war that they won't win and will destroy their country in the meantime. That is fact!
Ok so to be clear.
Cuba = zero civilians dead at the hands of the (purported) aggressors: USA
Ukraine = tens of thousands of civilians at the hands of the aggressors: Russia
You're right. These are exactly the same.
Yes, they are the same.
It is called hypocrisy. That is literally the definition.
You can't arm our neighbors, but we can arm yours.
The US took over Cuba. Russia is in the process of doing that now with Ukraine.
Amazing how genius this argument is: "if [country x] would just surrender and let themselves be conquered by murderous invaders, the war would be over! This is the best way to end bloodshed: appeasement!"
Dude, if the Ukrainians want to fight to the last man, be my guest.
I said if the US cared about dead Ukrainians, they would try to do a peace treaty TODAY, but we don't want that. For lots of reasons your blue pilled mind can't handle.
Amazing how genius this argument is: "if [country x] would just surrender and let themselves be conquered by murderous invaders, the war would be over! This is the best way to end bloodshed: appeasement!"
Polling shows most Democrats would run away before they fought if we were invaded. Why do you expect the Ukrainians to do something you wouldn't do in a million years?
History shows that Trump family members will run away at the that of military service to their country. Some will flee the country and change their name, others pay doctors for a fake diagnosis.
Amazing how genius this argument is: "if [country x] would just surrender and let themselves be conquered by murderous invaders, the war would be over! This is the best way to end bloodshed: appeasement!"
Dude, if the Ukrainians want to fight to the last man, be my guest.
I said if the US cared about dead Ukrainians, they would try to do a peace treaty TODAY, but we don't want that. For lots of reasons your blue pilled mind can't handle.
Yes, you discovered appeasement.
It has never worked once in history. Now you think it's the right call.
It is called hypocrisy. That is literally the definition.
You can't arm our neighbors, but we can arm yours.
The US took over Cuba. Russia is in the process of doing that now with Ukraine.
But we are the good guys of course!
Just a brilliant mind above
0 dead = 10,000s of dead
Human lives are of no concern when my ideology is at stake!
Hypocrisy doesn't make you right. Being a bully doesn't make you right.
Being morally consistent on your argument is what makes your right.
The US is morally inconsistent here. NOT Russia.
And the results are US's fault, not Russia's.
There's countless real life examples of this (besides this one of course). But too lazy to type it and your brilliant mind can't comprehend it anyways.
Human lives are of no concern when my ideology is at stake!
Hypocrisy doesn't make you right. Being a bully doesn't make you right.
Being morally consistent on your argument is what makes your right.
The US is morally inconsistent here. NOT Russia.
And the results are US's fault, not Russia's.
There's countless real life examples of this (besides this one of course). But too lazy to type it and your brilliant mind can't comprehend it anyways.
Hypocrisy doesn't make you right. Being a bully doesn't make you right.
Being morally consistent on your argument is what makes your right.
The US is morally inconsistent here. NOT Russia.
And the results are US's fault, not Russia's.
There's countless real life examples of this (besides this one of course). But too lazy to type it and your brilliant mind can't comprehend it anyways.
0 vs 10,000's dead
You say they are the same.
Noted
Yes exactly, Russia did the smart thing and pulled out their missiles, and saves many lives, thank you Russia.
The US didn't pull out their missiles and ignored Russia, and many lives are lost due to the US's hypocrisy and bullying. (btw, it is less than 3k civilian lives, not 10's of thousands you brilliant mind you)
The US is at fault for this.
Very simple dude.
Mess with the horns you get the bull. Whether it's Cuba, Ukraine, whoever.
Too bad your brilliant mind can't figure that out.
Oh, the "brother" reference to Ukraine again. It is pretty clear that neither Putin nor many of his troops consider Ukrainians to be their brothers. Unless in their families you kill you brothers and rape and kill their wives. And I guess that wouldn't surprise me too much.
Ignore everything and harp on if Ukraine has close historic ties to Russia.
This is why it's impossible to discuss these things. You literally ignored everything much more important than your idea that being brothers matters or not.
Let me put it another way.
Cuba wasn't our brother as if that even matters and we flipped out. Rightfully so! They were wrong for arming Cuba and we are wrong for arming Ukraine.
The fact that people are blinded by the media / government is just so weird to me. But then again, logic isn't in most peoples arsenal.
Two brief responses:
(1) Given the word salad you posted, you are in no position to challenge anyone's logic.
(2) If calling them brothers didn't mean anything, it shouldn't have been mentioned. But of course you intended it to have meaning. You intended it to emphasize alleged historic bonds and relationships between the people countries. And that is why it deserved a push back. Russia is not acting like they consider Ukrainian lives to have any value other than what gratification they can get from their bodies.
Ignore everything and harp on if Ukraine has close historic ties to Russia.
This is why it's impossible to discuss these things. You literally ignored everything much more important than your idea that being brothers matters or not.
Let me put it another way.
Cuba wasn't our brother as if that even matters and we flipped out. Rightfully so! They were wrong for arming Cuba and we are wrong for arming Ukraine.
The fact that people are blinded by the media / government is just so weird to me. But then again, logic isn't in most peoples arsenal.
Two brief responses:
(1) Given the word salad you posted, you are in no position to challenge anyone's logic.
(2) If calling them brothers didn't mean anything, it shouldn't have been mentioned. But of course you intended it to have meaning. You intended it to emphasize alleged historic bonds and relationships between the people countries. And that is why it deserved a push back. Russia is not acting like they consider Ukrainian lives to have any value other than what gratification they can get from their bodies.
Two Brief Reponses to your Reponses:
1. Given that you don't think they are "brothers" shows you don't know that part of the world world a darn and should stop talking bout anyone's position of logic. They were literally the same country for decades.
2. I do think they are brahs, and guess what, brothers fight, a lot. You do know about the civil war here don't you, or you don't think the North and South are brothers either?
It's the ones you love the most who you hurt the most.