Seriously: What is the COVID endgame?

It is still early, but a three dose vaccine may be the end game. Case in Israel plummeted once boosters were deployed and have remained very low. Efficacy against infection and severe illness go back up to 90%+ with boosters. But we have no idea how long that lasts and whether a variant can escape that protection. But a three dose vax is in line with the Hepatitis vax, which is highly effective. Add to that a good batch of antiviral drugs and you may very well have the end of the pandemic.

If the booster efficacy is short lived or a variant escapes it, the next moonshot will be a nasal vaccine, but funding is not there for that research.

What cannot be the end game is a Lord of the Flies future where the strong survive and everyone else suffers and dies. You can just look around today to see why that won't work. People will make sacrifices to protect themselves from the virus and plenty of countries are willing to shut down to protect their population. A "let it rip" strategy will mean constant and unending economic turmoil for everyone.

[quote]Precious Roy wrote:

It is still early, but a three dose vaccine may be the end game. Case in Israel plummeted once boosters were deployed and have remained very low.

Really?

Israel is on its 4th shot.

CDC today:

Level 4: Very High Level of COVID-19 in Israel

Key Information for Travelers to Israel, the West Bank and Gaza

Israel

Avoid travel to Israel.

The US govt has already agreed to buy hundreds of million of jabs for 2022.

meeel wrote:

Honest question because I don’t know - at this point is Covid impacting your life in any way other than wearing a mask?

No, no complaints except the mask mandate, but that's still a big deal to many people. Where I live, mask mandates are now essentially permanent. We could have 0 cases for a week (never going to happen) and the mask mandates would remain just to be safe. It's entirely political.

And…? What’s your point? I acknowledged the low numbers upfront.

For low frequency risks I still take precautions if they are simple, safe, and effective. The odds of dying by lightning strike are 1 in 139,000 but I’ll still get out swimming pools and open fields during a lightning storm. The odds of dying from a dog attack are 1 in 87,000 but I am still aware of the possibility of loose dogs on my runs and take reasonable precautions (I’ll avoid a street if I’m aware of a dog that runs around off leash).

And by the way we do also get the seasonal flu shot.

So I’m not sure what your point is.

BearOfBadNews wrote:

I suppose none of you idiots that got vaccinated listened to Geerts Vanden Bosch today. Towards the end of his interview with Del Bigtree he specifically said "Without your innate immunity, you have no chance of survival". Sorry but the vaccine destroys your innate immunity.

That's how Covid will end for all of you vaxxers. As soon as the end of this year. He's been spot on with his March 12 warning. He also said if he's wrong he deserves to be thrown in jail. Guess we'll see. Damn glad I don't have that poison in my body.

I think people overreact on both sides about the vaccine, but there's a vaccine for a bunch of stuff. It's not poison. You release people don't have innate immunity to COVID right? That's why people got sick. If they had immunity, it wouldn't have been a pandemic people's bodies would've just fought it off. The whole point of the vaccine is to provide immunity, it doesn't "destroy your innate immunity" you don't even have innate immunity to COVID. That's just so asinine.

kookypuss wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

You can tell a lot about a person by his enemies.

The fact you, a wannabe Covid tyrant, dislike me to such an extent to compare me to “ the worst nazi soldier” just further convinces me I am correct in everything I said.

Ths is no surprise. Awful people who know they're awful people like being awful people.

Right, right.

There’s a vaccine that’s 99.99% effective when it comes to limiting Covid fatalities. This vaccine is available to all who want it, at least in the western world. I recommend everyone get the vaccine but no one should be mandated to get it.

You on the other hand want to restrict freedoms for a virus, that when you take the vaccine, has less than a .01% chance of killing you.

You are a wannabe tyrant. You and your kin must be resisted.

Now that's telling it like it really is wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Well, if we can get through one national surge in cases without deeply stressing medical resources and staff, that would be a promising sign.

As long as waves continue to put tens of thousands in the hospitals at once and kill thousands per day, officials are gonna keep some restrictions in place.

Remember, this wave it was almost exclusively the unvaxxed that caused these hospitalizations.

If you want to point at finger at someone for prolonging the COVID endgame: it’s the unvaxxed.

Negative Andy, it's not the pandemic of the unvaccinated. You're being intellectually dishonest once again. 😉

Wrong. The primary risk of COVID going forward is a large wave that stressed medical systems.

The recent Delta wave saw almost exclusively unvaxxed going into the hospital and dying.

Therefore, the unvaxxed are the only remaining barrier to getting out of COVID, it seems.

If everyone were vaxxed we would likely see manageable levels of medical resource use!

Again, the blame falls squarely on the unvaccinated for us not being out of the COVID endgame yet.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Right, right.

There’s a vaccine that’s 99.99% effective when it comes to limiting Covid fatalities. This vaccine is available to all who want it, at least in the western world. I recommend everyone get the vaccine but no one should be mandated to get it.

You on the other hand want to restrict freedoms for a virus, that when you take the vaccine, has less than a .01% chance of killing you.

You are a wannabe tyrant. You and your kin must be resisted.

No mandates means we MUST be ok denying the unvaxxed medical care for COVID when hospitals are full. There is no other option if we are going to be ethical. We cannot have innocent Americans murdered at the hands of antivaxxers.

This. There's some good preliminary evidence that people who have been boosted for >6 months are still pegging the scale for circulating antibodies (much better than after 2 doses).

Game changing treatments also blunt the risk of breakthoughs/dumb antivaxxer choices.

People act like politicans and officials have mislead us about thee COVID endgame but Delta was a VERY big shock to the system.

Look at how low cases were in the US pre-delta wave? We were on our way out. Delta changed the whole game and made people much more cautious again.

Manage the end of this delta wave, boost people who need it, and there's a way out.

Acting like people want to keep everyone under restrictions for the hell of it is just tinfoil hat stuff. Delta was -terrible- for much of the country. We are still in it! I get that people get used to 2000-3000 Americans dying a die and ICUs full of (unvaxxed) people, but it's not a sustainable way out.

Delta will come under control through boosters and just raw infections.

Harambe wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Right, right.

There’s a vaccine that’s 99.99% effective when it comes to limiting Covid fatalities. This vaccine is available to all who want it, at least in the western world. I recommend everyone get the vaccine but no one should be mandated to get it.

You on the other hand want to restrict freedoms for a virus, that when you take the vaccine, has less than a .01% chance of killing you.

You are a wannabe tyrant. You and your kin must be resisted.

No mandates means we MUST be ok denying the unvaxxed medical care for COVID when hospitals are full. There is no other option if we are going to be ethical. We cannot have innocent Americans murdered at the hands of antivaxxers.

Good.

At least we know where the lines are drawn and the hills we are willing to die on now.

Now, what are you going to do?

carmine9 wrote:

meeel wrote:

[quote]letssee wrote:

Why would you want to vaccinate your 5 year old daughter? Are you really that stupid?

Because I follow the guidance of the CDC and the FDA.

Huge mistake.

They are arms of Big Pharma.

Haven't you figured that out yet?

Where to the last two heads of the FDA now work?

Are you dissatisfied, Boris, with their performance in general? Or just with respect to Covid-19?

Two end games, more likely one followed by the other. It's certain COVID-19 will stay around, like a supped up version of the flu, killing 5-10 times as many people as the flu each year. End game two is that it replicates into an extremely virulent form and kills off tens of millions before a vaccine is created. Whether it kills off just the unvaccinated or both vaccinated and unvaccinated remains to be seen.

TheRealRunner00 wrote:

[quote]BearOfBadNews wrote:

I suppose none of you idiots that got vaccinated listened to Geerts Vanden Bosch today. Towards the end of his interview with Del Bigtree he specifically said "Without your innate immunity, you have no chance of survival". Sorry but the vaccine destroys your innate immunity.

That's how Covid will end for all of you vaxxers. As soon as the end of this year. He's been spot on with his March 12 warning. He also said if he's wrong he deserves to be thrown in jail. Guess we'll see. Damn glad I don't have that poison in my body.

I think people overreact on both sides about the vaccine, but there's a vaccine for a bunch of stuff. It's not poison. You release people don't have innate immunity to COVID right?

Innate immunity is what you get after recovering from Covid.

The jab is not a vaccine; the CDC had to change the definition of what a vaccine is!

It may be deadly

6857lol wrote:

carmine9 wrote:

Because I follow the guidance of the CDC and the FDA.

Huge mistake.

They are arms of Big Pharma.

Haven't you figured that out yet?

Where to the last two heads of the FDA now work?

Are you dissatisfied, Boris, with their performance in general? Or just with respect to Covid-19?

You caught me. Putin is personally paying me to undermine those wonderful people who run Big Pharma.

carmine9 wrote:

6857lol wrote:

Are you dissatisfied, Boris, with their performance in general? Or just with respect to Covid-19?

You caught me. Putin is personally paying me to undermine those wonderful people who run Big Pharma.

Those wonderful people invented things that either currently are, or will someday keep you alive. Given your evident geezing, I'm going to guess "already are".

carmine9 wrote:

6857lol wrote:

Are you dissatisfied, Boris, with their performance in general? Or just with respect to Covid-19?

You caught me. Putin is personally paying me to undermine those wonderful people who run Big Pharma.

I can’t tell who is more delusional.

The Qanon crowd or the people who think we are constantly surrounded by Russian spies.

Survival of the fittest is what it should be.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Harambe wrote:

No mandates means we MUST be ok denying the unvaxxed medical care for COVID when hospitals are full. There is no other option if we are going to be ethical. We cannot have innocent Americans murdered at the hands of antivaxxers.

Good.

At least we know where the lines are drawn and the hills we are willing to die on now.

Now, what are you going to do?

+1

energeticlotuseater wrote:

The Qanon crowd or the people who think we are constantly surrounded by Russian spies.

Nineteen of the top 20 Facebook pages for Christians are run by Eastern European “troll farms,” mostly in Kosovo and Macedonia.