This should be the Quote of the Decade regarding trans athletes participating in elite women's sport

Lenny is fine that he thinks he should be able to set rules for women. He knows what it is to be a woman - without being one. I guess he's equally ok that women should set rules for what it is to be a man.

In principle, it looks like a good idea that only women decide who should be allowed to use women's bathroom. The problem is they are far from united. An even bigger problem is that women are more likely to support trans women using their bathroom.

"In terms of policies governing public restrooms, do you think these policies should require transgender individuals to use the restroom that corresponds with their birth gender (or should these policies) allow transgender individuals to use the restroom that corresponds with their gender identity?"

Birth gender 48%. Gender identity 45%. No opinion 7%.

Among women. Birth gender 40%. Gender identity 52%.

Among men. Birth gender 57%. Gender identity 38%.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/210887/americans-split-new-lgbt-protections-restroom-policies.aspx

Even in sports, women are more likely to support trans women in women's sports. So if you want to exclude trans women from women's sports, it's better not to exclude men from the decision making process.

All US adults. Birth gender 62%, Gender identity 34%.

Women. Birth gender 53%, Gender identity 42%.

Men. Birth gender 72%, Gender identity 24%.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/350174/mixed-views-among-americans-transgender-issues.aspx

To be clear, I'm against sports, but am fine with bathrooms and locker rooms. Not at the high school age, but for adults, I see no issue. A trans woman poses no threat to a biological woman in the Walmart bathroom. In fact, you've probably been in the bathroom with trans women without realizing it. I don't see how biological females are hurt by this unless you think trans women are actually just men looking the prey on women, which your fear and words imply? What exactly do you think is going to happen? It seems like you're still treating trans women as if they were straight cis men wanting to be creepy or hurt women when there is no logical reason for this thought. A trans woman is trying to look and act like a woman, and is not any more threatening than any other woman entering a public bathroom.

I think sports obviously make sense since there is a safety issue when there is large discrepancies in size and strength, but to believe that trans women are actually men trying to trick you in order to assault you is not logical, but I understand if your trauma leads you to believe that this is the case. Women, after all, have been oppressed by men since forever, so I think the response is natural. I have also been assaulted by a man, and pretty much hate men as well, but I don't see trans women as men. I see them as trans women. They're doing their absolute best not to be men.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

RunRagged wrote:

BTW, I'm all for guys being able to dress, "present" and "identify as" they wish. I just don't think that gender identity should supplant sex in contexts where the sex of human bodies matters.

This is the underlying issue.

I don’t think it’s “brogressive” to consider transwomen as women. You do.

You expect them to carry around a list of spaces where they are to remind them of when they are are men and when they are women:

At work: woman

Bathroom at work: man

Bathroom at home: woman

Restaurant: woman

Bathroom at restaurant: man

At Target: woman

Changing room at Target: man

Working out at the gym: woman

Running a race: man

You see how ridiculous these “rules” become?

A transwoman is a woman. My rules for that woman are:

Anywhere you go, in all walks of life: you’re a woman.

I think this argument can be easily turn around to the other side. Many people believe trans women should be treated as men except in their own home. That rule would be as simple as yours. I am not suggesting one rule is superior to the other. But they are equally simple, if there is any value in simplicity.

the research disagrees wrote:

comedyrel:3f wrote:

Speaking of pearls, Did anyone see the trans Jeopardy contestant that won the past couple of nights? Does going through puberty as a male give her an unfair advantage over cis-female contestants (nine of the top ten winningest contestants in Jeopardy history were males)?

https://www.jeopardy.com/contestant-zone

Well women are definitely just dumber than men so clearly it's a huge advantage. The stats don't lie!

Well. Schneider is now the top earning female contestant in Jeopardy history.