BLM promises more looting if racist vaccine requirements continue

You are more damaging to blacks than racist.

Tatar... wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

I’m telling you that the African-American community is more hesitant about vaccines than the white community because of the very real victimization of African-Americans throughout history- including medical related human-rights violations like the Tuskegee Experiments.

But yes, keep scoffing from the heights of your white privilege pedestal and say things like the concerns of BLM and African-Americans are “cute”.

When did you get so woke?

You are completely correct. We should be far more lenient and more understanding of blacks who are hesitant over vaccination. That however doesn't mean they shouldn't get vaccinated and doesn't mean the jab isn't safer than getting Covid.

Still, very few white folk have an excuse not get the jab.

Agreed.

All POC should be exempted from all mask and vaccine mandates. Period.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Tatar... wrote:

When did you get so woke?

You are completely correct. We should be far more lenient and more understanding of blacks who are hesitant over vaccination. That however doesn't mean they shouldn't get vaccinated and doesn't mean the jab isn't safer than getting Covid.

Still, very few white folk have an excuse not get the jab.

Agreed.

All POC should be exempted from all mask and vaccine mandates. Period.

That’s not what he said, troll.

under a bridge wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Agreed.

All POC should be exempted from all mask and vaccine mandates. Period.

That’s not what he said, troll.

Well that’s what I took from his argument and if I took it incorrectly then disagree with him.

We have coerced POC on what are allowed to do and not to do to their bodies for too long. Exempting all POC (yes all minorities) from mask and vaccine mandates is the LEAST white America can do.

I think the idea here is that African Americans have been told parts of their culture are "wrong" and they are pushing back. Let's use how African Americans speak as an example (also called African American vernacular English or AAVE). Linguists agree it is a real dialect with grammar rules and everything, but African Americans who openly speak it are looked down on as uneducated. If you want to be a doctor, lawyer, accountant, or succeed in any prestigious profession, you can't use it, you have to switch to "standard" English. Many African Americans code switch by using one dialect in the workplace/college and another when they are just being themselves. So the pushback is why is this natural language that is part of their culture wrong?

Of course everyone has to act more professional in the workplace, and I as a white man also talk a little differently on the job than at home, but no one mocks me for my home voice/language.

I think it's the same idea with this nuclear family thing. The single parenting in the black community has evolved due to a number of factors (poverty, the war on drugs & mass incarceration, low education, etc) and yes, it seems obvious to me as a white person that a nuclear family is more ideal, but if the African American community is tired of being told they are wrong and they want to be held to a different standard not defined by a majority white society, then fine, I get it.

This thread is just right wing dunces blowing their wads thinking that they have liberals in some kind of “gotcha” that doesn’t actually exist and pro-science people just politely explaining that essentially everyone should get the vaccine.

So it’s like many threads around here.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

How dare YOU.

After all African-Americans have been through as POC in America you have the audacity to minimize their legitimate fears as well as telling them what to do to their bodies in order to fully participate in society.

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OK, I got it now. 10/10 Well done. You are an expert troll.

The Clown Show wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

How dare YOU.

After all African-Americans have been through as POC in America you have the audacity to minimize their legitimate fears as well as telling them what to do to their bodies in order to fully participate in society.

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OK, I got it now. 10/10 Well done. You are an expert troll.

You can tell this isn't real because you are laying it on way too thick.

Lemme help you: BLM is a well intended movement designed to bring awareness to the idea that black people in America, and well across the world, are treated like second-class citizens. BLM is largely non-violent, but there are a few fringe groups that bring shade on the entire group. BLM has been villainized by many on the right because they have threatened their place in America. BLM have rightly called for changes in policing, but unfortunately good police officers (that outnumber the bad ones by a large number) have gotten caught in this because they refuse to speak out on and hold accountable the "bad apples." Now the paradox, two extreme groups: BLM and reTrumplicans find themselves walking hand in hand. How do they separate their MANY differences and disagreements?

breit leit wrote:

This thread is just right wing dunces blowing their wads thinking that they have liberals in some kind of “gotcha” that doesn’t actually exist and pro-science people just politely explaining that essentially everyone should get the vaccine.

So it’s like many threads around here.

The whitesplaining and privilege is really incredible with this statement.

Not only do you fail to recognize the legitimate and historically relevant fears that POC have of the federal government and their historically violated right to bodily autonomy and to make a living but you refuse to even take BLMs & POC ,who they represent, views at face value.

I know on your Lilly white world you simply “trust” the government but in the African-American community they must look at vaccine mandates in the most skeptical way possible.

Black Bodily Autonomy Matters

Oh I’m laying on the fact that I think African-Americans, a historically victimized group, should be able to control their own bodies “too thick”? Perhaps you’re not taking it seriously enough.

I don’t care about Trump. I care about the bodily autonomy of African-Americans.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

breit leit wrote:

This thread is just right wing dunces blowing their wads thinking that they have liberals in some kind of “gotcha” that doesn’t actually exist and pro-science people just politely explaining that essentially everyone should get the vaccine.

So it’s like many threads around here.

The whitesplaining and privilege is really incredible with this statement.

Not only do you fail to recognize the legitimate and historically relevant fears that POC have of the federal government and their historically violated right to bodily autonomy and to make a living but you refuse to even take BLMs & POC ,who they represent, views at face value.

I know on your Lilly white world you simply “trust” the government but in the African-American community they must look at vaccine mandates in the most skeptical way possible.

Black Bodily Autonomy Matters

You fall into the "right wing dunces blowing their wads thinking that they have liberals in some kind of 'gotcha' that doesn't actually exist" section of my post. To a T.

In the early stages of the pandemic Black leaders were asserting that Blacks were more vulnerable because they were more likely to be working service jobs and using public transportation where they were more exposed than White office workers that could work from home. I do think these concerns were valid and we know Blacks have died in disproportionate numbers.

So now that there is a free vaccine available which is it: Blacks are forced to work at service jobs they need where they are being exposed to covid or Blacks are being forced to take a vaccine to keep those jobs? They can't have it both ways. This protest about vaccine checks is nothing more than a way for BLM leaders to gain the spotlight again and they are riling their supporters up about a cause that is actually harmful to them. If Black lives really matter BLM would be working in the community to lessen vaccine resistance and help Blacks understand how to make better health choices to reduce the comorbidities associated with covid.

According to the CDC, blacks are 2.8 times more likely than whites to be hospitalized with COVID and 2.3 times more likely to die from COVID than whites.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-race-ethnicity.html

That being said, the vaccination rate between blacks and whites is not that much different (45% for blacks, 49% for hispanics, 53% for whites, and 69% for Asians), so the large discrepancy in risk of hospitalization and death between the various races is likely tied to date of exposure (more minorities were likely exposed early in the pandemic when the treatments were poorer and had a higher rate of death) and other factors like obesity and access to care. If you are in a higher risk category and are still unvaxxed at this point, regardless of your race, you should get vaxxed unless you have already had COVID.

Madates are wrong regardless of race, as they ignore prior infection, which is more effective than vaccination. Additionally, previous infection puts one at an increased risk of an adverse reaction if they are forced to be vaccinated and provides little if any benefit.

^how is it harmful not to take the vaccine if natural immunity is proven to be a better solution?

Quit being a psycho folks. They aren’t your arms, that aren’t your bodies and they aren’t your children. Stick to yourselves or stay inside where you feel safer. That’s a simple solution

It's basically organized crime. FBI needs to prosecute.

Excluding white as a color is bizarre. White is a color. And "whitesplaining" is a racist term you deployed in this thread. Do you also resort to "redneck" and "white trash" at times?

jecht wrote:

I thought they were over the top and their founders aren't even African-American (I believe they are two white women).

Actually the founders are three black women. And hilariously hypocritical. Patrisse Cullors has literally been on record saying the true goal of BLM was Marxist revolution. She is a self identified "trained Marxist" (Garza and Tometi, the other two BLM founders are also openly self professed Marxists).... a trained Marxist who recently had to resign from BLM for buying, among other things, $3.2 million dollar home.

Which is of course the problem with all revolutions. In the end the revolutionaries don't really end up changing things. They just end up turning things upside-down, with themselves as the new rich and powerful on top. Even the communist revolutions tend to do that. The people in the bottom get communism, the people in charge of the revolutions end up be millionaires living in luxury at the expense of others.

The BLM movement is a movement to protect black lives but just as importantly it is also a movement to protect black dignity.

Throughout most of their history African-Americans have not had control of their own bodies-slavery being the most glaring example. African-American adults have also often been treated like children throughout most of their history in this country- this is partly how slavery was justified by the white man.

The BLM movement is an attempt to not only reassert Black bodily autonomy but also Black adulthood. This is why BLM is now fighting back against vaccine mandates because it not only, once again, denies African-American bodily autonomy it also, once again, attempts to infantilize African-American men and women by attempting to cram a policy down their throats because “it’s good for them”.