Clapton goes insane - I am burning my Clapton albums

btw by the way wrote:

How is this different than not enforcing rules against drunk driving and just letting people learn the hard way that they shouldn’t do it?

Problem is that the lesson that is actually being learned is that if you vaccinate you can be harmed or killed.[/quote]

Are you more or less likely to die of covid and pass covid on if vaccinated or not?

Are you more or less likely to die or kill or hurt someone else driving sober or not?

Simple answers here.

false equivalence. Having to drive sober doesn't violate bodily autonomy.

Triggered people make tons of false equivalences to paper over their extreme mental illness.

Former Eric Clapton fan wrote:

Clapton goes insane - I am burning my Clapton albums

Anybody else is doing that?

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/eric-clapton-new-song-this-has-gotta-stop-1217935/https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/eric-clapton-disastrous-vaccine-propaganda-1170264/

#metoo.Afghanistanwomenslivesmatter

Former Eric Clapton fan wrote: Clapton goes insane - I am burning my Clapton albums. Anybody else is doing that?

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/eric-clapton-new-song-this-has-gotta-stop-1217935/https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/eric-clapton-disastrous-vaccine-propaganda-1170264/

That'll show him.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

btw by the way wrote:

How is this different than not enforcing rules against drunk driving and just letting people learn the hard way that they shouldn’t do it?

Problem is that the lesson that is actually being learned is that if you vaccinate you can be harmed or killed.

Are you more or less likely to die of covid and pass covid on if vaccinated or not?

Are you more or less likely to die or kill or hurt someone else driving sober or not?

Simple answers here.[/quote]

I am much more likely to die of vaxxing then covid.

Driving drunk is driving drunk. Taking a poison is taking a poison. This is basically a government forcing you take a poison.

Very simple to understand.

Let's see, I like Jack Nicholas' accomplishments as a golfer - I hate Trump.

I never was a big Clapton fan - I believe he has a right voice his experience.

What does that make me?!? I feel like you people can't label me. Where's Jordan Peterson when you need him?

Covid vaccines do not stop transmission of the virus. The only reason to mandate vaccines is to prevent its spread (which it doesn't do). If it will help the vulnerable/healthcare system then by all means take it, but that is a personal choice.

The arch of the mRNA vaccines are dropping in their efficacy to the point that, to salvage the policies enacted in the fight against the endemic, boosters shots will be required year after year.

The sooner we learn that we can't hide from this coronavirus the better off we'll be. Natural immunity with or without vaccination is what we'll need to move past this thing.

So in summation, vaccinating kids is crazy, vaccinated the elderly, obese, unhealthy is a good policy, recognizing natural immunity is smart, mandating vaccinations is unjust. Can't wait for Flagpole to call me a moron in 3, 2, 1...

It’s so great to see people pushing back against the brainless fear mongering drones.

bigmig19 wrote:

Another side effect of the pandemic...we have found out people we used to look up to or thought were pretty stable...turns out thy are nuts. Jack Friggin' Nicklaus, huge Trump supporter to the extent of writing prose in support of him even at the bitter end. So completely surprising. I guess athletes and entertainers are flawed, who would have thunk. So disappointing, this stuff really brings out who people actually are in their heads.

Yeah, Nicklaus looks like a real nut-case now for preferring Trump to Biden. Uh-huh.

...and how that relates to the pandemic, well... ?

1) For the record, I am currently NOT for vaccine mandates generally. I DO believe health care workers should be mandated to have it, and I DO believe any company or government agency has a right to require its employees to be vaccinated, but if the employees there don't want to do that, they can get a different job that does not require that.

2) No, the only reason to get the vaccine is NOT to prevent the spread (and yes I see where you said it doesn't do that). It is to prevent crazy illness which requires hospitalization and DEATH. Governments enforce a lot of rules and regulations intended to protect citizens. Vaccines protect those getting them AND others who may be shut out of a hospital with another illness that needs attention because all the ICU beds are filled with people who wouldn't get vaccinated.

3) No one is hiding from the Coronavirus. Those who appropriately got vaccinated are using all we can to protect ourselves so that we can go out and live our lives, and those who aren't vaccinated either don't believe it is real or that it's not a threat (so why hide).

4) The most prudent thing to do by far right now is to get vaccinated. It is ridiculous and irresponsible to not, and there are no valid reasons why a person who is eligible for the vaccine doesn't get it. Many a wannabe alpha anti-vaxxer has died of COVID now. Enough.

Give me a break... wrote:

bigmig19 wrote:

Another side effect of the pandemic...we have found out people we used to look up to or thought were pretty stable...turns out thy are nuts. Jack Friggin' Nicklaus, huge Trump supporter to the extent of writing prose in support of him even at the bitter end. So completely surprising. I guess athletes and entertainers are flawed, who would have thunk. So disappointing, this stuff really brings out who people actually are in their heads.

Yeah, Nicklaus looks like a real nut-case now for preferring Trump to Biden. Uh-huh.

...and how that relates to the pandemic, well... ?

Yah I'm sure Jack Nicklaus' life starting sucking the instant Biden became President.

He is a nutcase if he thinks there's a difference between the two guys, as it concerns rich people. It's true.

Flagpole wrote:

4) there are no valid reasons why a person who is eligible for the vaccine doesn't get it.

Just because you don't think they are valid doesn't make them so.

clown news followers united wrote:

You burning all your hard-earned cash since all the people on the bills were slave owners bro?

Only spend 5's and new 20's and 50's and 100's and you will be good. I want Trump on the new 200 dollar bill which is long overdue due to inflation.

The Unkle wrote:

burritogator wrote:

Hey dude, good news. The trial is over and Pfizer is approved! Just thought you’d want to know.

Thank God the system is not corrupt

That’s right the trial is over. Now wrongful deaths will have to be compensated through NVICP. About 7,000 deaths at $250,000 per death divided by 370 million doses means those shots will now cost $4,735 a dose instead of $5 a dose (and that doesn’t include compensating victims of strokes, Guillian-Barre, etc.). About a third of all adverse events and deaths ever reported to VAERS in its thirty one years of existence are attributed to COVID.

It's all fun and games, until I'm on the phone with respiratory to have them send another ventilator over for you. I didn't want the shot either, but what is clear is that while it doesn't guarantee you won't get sick, what it does do is ensure that if you do, you're a lot less likely to end up in the morgue. A LOT less likely. That alone should be enough incentive for most people. At this point in time, from what I personally see, the vast majority of cases are unvaccinated, and while the number of breakthrough cases is on the rise, the biggest difference is that those people aren't hospitalized. Minor cold symptoms. It's a gamble, and you have to decide if fighting over your perceived infringement upon your liberty is worth possibly dying for. I saw a case recently where a woman's last words before being put on a vent was 'don't vaccinate me while I'm on it' (the ventilator). It didn't matter. She died a few days later.

RN. wrote:

I didn't want the shot either, but what is clear is that while it doesn't guarantee you won't get sick, what it does do is ensure that if you do, you're a lot less likely to end up in the morgue. A LOT less likely. That alone should be enough incentive for most people.

Can you define “a lot”? I agree that if you’re obese, old, have comorbidities, smoke, etc., you can decrease your chances of hospitalization. If you’re fit, young and/or healthy you are not decreasing your chances a lot. So the risk factors of taking the vaccine (which appear low from what we know) vs contracting Covid (which appear low from what we know).

This, along with media manipulation, is why there are folks who are still vaccine hesitant.

7,000 people have died from the vaccine and many more received a health scare. I’ve yet to see a story about the daughter who pushed their parent to get the vaccine and in their final breath, “I shouldn’t have listened to you!” Maybe because there’s no NDA covering Covid deaths.

My running tally is that 30 to 40% of the population has natural immunity and 50 to 60% has had the vaccine. If we’re still dealing with this pandemic in January then the policy of flatten the curve until the vaccines save us were an abject failure.

People think that COVID is a hoax and that being vaccinated is more dangerous than being infected unvaccinated. There’s really no way to have any conversation when the basic facts are disagreed on.

The mainstream media is indeed corrupt. It does push agendas on behalf of corporations and the military/industrial complex. This much is true. But it doesn’t mean every piece of information is false. The challenging part is to know what to believe and what not to believe.

It makes sense for companies to increase insurance premiums for unvaccinated employees based on the actual data on expenses for critical care for unvaccinated individuals. Those against vaccination will just claim they’re lying, of course. There’s no way to have a discussion when we disagree on basic facts.

Was always a big Clapton fan. I played cocaine so many times that I wore down the groves on my LP. And Clapton's cover of Bob Marley 's I shot Sheriff is a bonified classic. However, I never knew much about him personally, and perhaps wish I didn't know what I know now. I find it odd that he would be a racist when so much of his style is taken from Black people. I also know that when he mentioned his music idols they were almost entirely Black people. I will still listen to his music but I can't can't turn my back on the the fact that he is genuine AH

Jefe in the CO wrote:

... The sooner we learn that we can't hide from this coronavirus the better off we'll be. Natural immunity with or without vaccination is what we'll need to move past this thing. ...

It's almost as if everyone in charge always understood natural immunity was the way to go, but with a little more help to prevent hospitalizations and deaths. So they fasttracked some 'vaccines' that weren't really vaccines but did greatly reduce hospitalizations and deaths. So H&Ds get reduced, herd/natural immunity eventually does its thing, and some companies make a lot of money ... maybe medically that's a hard outcome to improve upon.

+1

Where does that leave you? Among the rational and non-partisan with a tendency towards objectivity.

I think you might agree that the lack of media and government emphasis on comorbidities and how people should carefully assess their own with regard to vaccines and take measures to reduce them has cost 10's of thousands of lives if not more.