"15 days to slow the spread" has now reached Day 520

mandate smamdate wrote:

If hospitals are doing this in a systematic way then why are there spikes in certain locations? Does a hospital just decide to suddenly distort hospitalization data to make it look like there is a surge and then stop that practice when the surge is over?

And if this practice is well-establish, as you claim, please provide evidence. How is it carried out? Are intake staff trained in this deception? Are hospital patient records altered? Please provide details.

Nope, Dan wants YOU to show that it doesn't happen. He wants you to show that every hospital is being honest. He wants you to show the people responsible for recording and reporting the info aren't fudging the numbers, He also wants you to show that people who are being admitted to hospitals with a COVID diagnosis are in fact COVID positive. He wants you to show him that every diagnosis of COVID is accurate and that people aren't just calling the seasonal flu COVID. He wants you to show that when people reportedly die of COVID they aren't passing because of, say, cancer while having an asymptomatic , minor case of coronavirus.

He doesn't need to prove that he is right, you must prove he is wrong. Otherwise, if you don't provide any evidence that he is wrong then he must be right.

You see how this works?

Yessiree Bob wrote:

Not saying I wish for it to happen, but can't help thinking what a delicious irony it would be if a few of you dorks wound up pleading for vaccine in the final moments before your intubation.

Dunes runner and YMMV, both big, big COVID deniers, disappeared from the boards during the winter wave. You connect the dots.

DanM is very, very upset that the vaccines are working and more people aren't dying of COVID.

And the overwhelming majority of officially recognized Covid patients are what age group ?

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Why Hospitals Admit Some Seniors as Outpatients

Even though it results in a lower payment rate, hospital billing departments use “observation status” if they’re contemplating whether to admit a patient or suspect they won’t get paid if the patient is admitted for inpatient care. Hospitals fear that Medicare auditors might overturn a doctor’s decision to admit the patient, which means the hospital won’t get paid at all.

To avoid the chance of completely losing Medicare reimbursement, the hospital decides to play it safe, charge Medicare the lower rate and put the patient on observation status. When hospital patients are treated this way, the medical center bills Medicare Part B (medical insurance) rather than Medicare Part A (hospital insurance). The patient is then responsible for privately paying any expenses that are not covered by their insurance.

https://www.agingcare.com/articles/hospital-observation-status-can-be-financially-devastating-175991.htm

So this practice results in hospitalizations being underreported. Are you suggesting that the numbers of patients hospitalized with covid should actually be much higher? And you still haven't explained why there are surges.

.......a start.

So this shows some hospitals plays games with admissions numbers because it's a gamble to admit them all outright as auditors may disagree with the doctor, and overturn said decision thus leaving hospitals who were hoping to have costs of treatment paid for SOL. Ok.

But you suggested that hospitals:

1)use that tactic specifically on people who are COVID vaccinated

2) and to inflate the rate at which the unvaccinated are being admitted.

Where's the proof of that? Can you find a single documented case of that happening?

Possibly. But you also can’t do it without 40 years of experience and the highest education in the field of epidemiology and virology that exists. Are you saying that a man bent on subjugating the population obtained all those degrees in the medicine in case a respiratory illness would strike the world and he could use it to gain the power he wanted?

wazzu1452 wrote:

c7runner7 wrote:

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"But again, getting the vaccine has nothing to do with politics."

Sure it does. Don't be blind. Blue State Progressives are 100X more likely to take the non-fda approved vaccine than Red State Republicans are.

Blue State Governors are much more likely to institute lockdowns and mandates than red state governors.

My Conservative Town of Coeur d Alene, ID - Has ZERO covid mandates or restrictions.

300 Miles West, In BLUE Seattle - they are issuing mandate after mandate.

This is 100% about politics. It's certainly NOT about your health if you are young and healthy.

Here is what I am arguing; If you want to play COVID for the next 5 years. Go right ahead. No one is stopping you.

You certainly don't need me to lock yourself down and mask up and VAXX up.

Knock yourself out.

Just leave Idaho and the red states alone.

Your right, it is political, and we know it is because the whole world is doing one thing, and one politically party of one country is doing another. That’s how we know that republicans turned medicine into politics.

Sham 69 wrote:

wazzu1452 wrote:

c7runner7 is your run of mill JUCO graduate, working at Starbucks, serving up Pumpkin Spice Lattes to other skateboarding social justice warriors while he, holds court, and waxes on....

"I knew the first wave of vaccines would not work" blah, blah, blah....

I am so impressed with these liberal arts and sociology majors!

"I just wear my mask to comply because it's cosmetic theater for my other worthless progressive friends." "We are getting all the boosters and I can't wait for my VAXX passport so I can move freely around whatever Blue city dump I live in."

I am c7runner7 hear me ROAR!

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10/10 dude I laughed so hard.

Haha. Somehow I missed this response. It’s 100% inaccurate, but hilarious nonetheless. Well 99% inaccurate because I thought/still think the 1st wave of vaccines would work, but booster shots aren’t surprising to me.

For wazzu’s other post, I don’t really agree with many of the restrictions. For example, we just had a workplace survey where I voted for “No masks, and no restrictions at all-regardless of vaccination status”. But I still think vaccines are a no-brainer.

And for fun: Masters degree- paid for through athletic scholarship, don’t care about the degree itself but it enables me to do the job I want, live in red-county, never voted Democrat but rarely vote at all unless it’s local props, make fun of UC Berkeley (light-heartedly of course) don’t really post much on social media, but have been chastised on Facebook for expressing the idea that many posts ‘bashing republicans in the name of social justice’ are actually counterproductive and part of the problem . I can’t skateboard, most of my friends are pretty conservative with tons of guns and probably didn’t get the vaccine. Never had a pumpkin spice latte-paying for Starbucks seems dumb to me-I can make that at home for like 50 cents without waiting in line.. but I don’t really drink coffee anyways. I do love pumpkin pie though, and buying it from Costco is somehow cheaper than making it yourself.

Fully believe in Vitamin D, zinc, omegas 3’s, magnesium, etc + healthy diet and exercise. People should probably eat more plants, but animals are fine too, and they taste great :) I Rarely take medicine or Advil (it’s been years) and I think the US health care/insurance billing system is screwed up and ridiculous, but I’m not smart enough to know how to fix it.

I question just about everything (sometimes annoyingly) and I’m actually somewhat known for doing things my own way. Going back to voting, I actually question the idea that everyone should vote. If you know nothing about the candidates or the topic, why should you vote? All we talk about is ‘voter suppression’ (yeah, that’s important) but what about increasing educated voters, and creating a system that isn’t reliant on information from bias media sources and ridiculous viral social media posts? The vast majority of ‘votes’ are worthless in my opinion-which is why I only usually vote in specific, local propositions. My biggest pet peeve, BY FAR, is when people don’t critically think. If you are a teacher, and your students are trying to learn by rote memorization, please, please stop them. If they can learn/understand the principle, they will know it forever. I hate the two-party system because it discourages thinking. How TF do all the Republican and Democratic house reps vote the same way almost every single time. 100s of them.. what are the odds! That’s so stupid. Only Voting with your party is so annoying; I don’t understand why everyone is okay with this. And now we have it with vaccines. “Oh you got the vaccine, you must be a leftist”. So super conservative people are like “well I can’t be a leftist, so I must be anti-vaccine too.. let me find YouTube videos and the 1/1000 Doctors that agree with my stance.” (Maybe it’s more than 1/1000, it’s a hyperbole)

I don’t actually want people to blindly trust the vaccine, and I WANT people to at least research the vaccine somewhat. For example, My wife was newly pregnant, so we took a long time to mull it over, and look at all the available information. We concluded we couldn’t be sure, but there was decent evidence Covid symptoms weren’t great for pregnant people, and not much to show the vaccine caused harm, so she got it in Feb. (healthcare worker) and our child is due soon. When people assume that I’m an ignorant idiot for getting the vaccine, i honesty just find it funny because it’s so ironic. By believing I’m an idiot (or liberal), you are blindly believing some made-up stereotype because the fact is- you know nothing about me and my thought process, or the other 1.7 billion vaccinated humans.

To be fair, I try NOT to stereotype the people who don’t get the vaccine. But honesty, it’s getting harder and harder to remain neutral because of the amount of sheer misinformation *some* anti-vaxxers spread. (Which again, its deeply ironic they just blindly believe the most ridiculous, obviously false statistics… all in the name of free-thinking)

Rant over: ultimately I’m still just a dork that wastes my time on LetsRun. But I do run fast, make good money, have a hot-wife, and overly share my opinions on here when no one cares.. so I fit right in :)

Rant over: ultimately I’m still just a dork that wastes my time on LetsRun. But I do run fast, make good money, have a hot-wife, and overly share my opinions on here when no one cares.

Looks like we have all this in common.

Also, I may have come off as a horse's a$$ (it's a reflex - untreatable) but I do think you make your case with conviction and honestly. Your opinions are some of the better ones on here.

BTW - My wife is hotter than your wife. I got 50K on that.......

Harambe wrote:

Yessiree Bob wrote:

Not saying I wish for it to happen, but can't help thinking what a delicious irony it would be if a few of you dorks wound up pleading for vaccine in the final moments before your intubation.

Dunes runner and YMMV, both big, big COVID deniers, disappeared from the boards during the winter wave. You connect the dots.

Harambe, who has been posting dozens of times per day for several weeks if not months, was recently absent for maybe two weeks. Connect the dots. Laid low by his beloved vaccines

The Clown Show wrote:

[quote]The Unkle wrote:

[quote]The Clown Show wrote:

[quote]The Unkle wrote:

By the way, the last place I would go if I got sick with symptoms like Covid is to a doctor or the hospital.

So if the unvaccinated get sick, and just stay home instead of running to hospitals then all is good on my end.

Maybe you did not read the stats. Anyone who gets sick with Covid like symptoms is likely far better off staying home.

The Unkle wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Dunes runner and YMMV, both big, big COVID deniers, disappeared from the boards during the winter wave. You connect the dots.

Harambe, who has been posting dozens of times per day for several weeks if not months, was recently absent for maybe two weeks. Connect the dots. Laid low by his beloved vaccines

I was just on vacation dude, we can't all be as dedicated to madposting as you are.

YMMV and dunes did leave for good, though, and that needs to be grappled with.

wazzu1452 wrote:

BTW - My wife is hotter than your wife. I got 50K on that.......

I volunteer as a judge!

Thanks, I don’t take anything personally or think you had ill-intent. And I tend to agree with your arguments/data regarding restrictive states vs less-restrictive and corresponding COVID numbers so I’m not that “against” you.

I just want to this all to be over, and honestly believe higher vaccination rates are the best bet right now. COVID will still be around, transmission will still happen, but I think the numbers-particularly death rate- will be good enough that people will move on. At least I hope. I just don’t see another option. The country (and most of the world) as a whole just isn’t okay with number and I don’t see them magically changing their minds. The numbers went down, things opened up, now numbers are up, so some restrictions are coming back. It doesn’t matter how I feel about it, that’s just how it is.. so I want the numbers to go down-and I think misinformation about vaccines is playing at least some role in preventing that from happening. So that’s why I argue here- not for some valiant, social justice warrior cause; I just really don’t want to wear a mask and monitor a bunch of Covid paperwork anymore (for my job I have to, and I’m not just going to quit b/c of it). I have purely selfish motives.. so please convince others to get vaccinated.. for my sake :)

And I sincerely hope when I’m 54 I still find my wife Hotter than all the 20-something yr olds.

Anyways man, have a good weekend and best of luck to all your kids in college (and soon to be) as they begin to try and figure out this crazy life.

Remember when football coaches would look over a kid who just took a vicious hit to the head and obviously had suffered a concussion ? The coach would say something like "You got your bell rung. Skip this possession then get back in there."

Amazing what we've learned since not too many years ago.

I think we all want it to be over.

However, the CDC and FAUCI have not been consistent and one could say they are outright lying to us.

This is from that right wing rag SLATE......

In March 2020, as the pandemic began, Anthony Fauci, the chief medical adviser to the president of the United States, explained in a 60 Minutes interview that he felt community use of masks was unnecessary. A few months later, he argued that his statements were not meant to imply that he felt the data to justify the use of cloth masks was insufficient. Rather, he said, had he endorsed mask wearing (of any kind), mass panic would ensue and lead to a surgical and N95 mask shortage among health care workers, who needed the masks more. Yet, emails from a Freedom of Information Act request revealed that Fauci privately gave the same advice—against mask use—suggesting it was not merely his outward stance to the broader public.

https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/noble-lies-covid-fauci-cdc-masks.amp

Orlando Florida is now telling residents they may have to boil water soon because so much liquid oxygen, needed for purification, needs to be diverted to COVID patients.

https://twitter.com/DavePuglisiTV/status/1428785401897050115?s=20

Legendary COVID management from our favorite state

We're on opposite sides of the political spectrum and I don't disagree with a thing you've said here. I just think it's absurd and tragic and ridiculous that people who insist on an immediate return to the 2019 status quo ante reject all measures to curb COVID prevalence that would make that possible.