Parents: how much does the idea of your kid getting Covid freak you out?

Physician here. Way more concerned with bacterial resistance to antibiotics.

I am optimistic about the potential for mRNA vaccines, though, especially given potential to target adenoviruses.

The Unkle wrote:

highhoppingworm wrote:

Sure our resident Nazi. Would you care to share what I should be worried about Unkle?

Ever notice how these Covid devotees never discuss the points being made, but resort to name calling?

Same tactic the Israel First crowd has used for decades.

Lol this post has like 3 layers of irony.

Runningart2004 wrote:

What part of TN? I'm moving to Clarksville, TN.

Calling people out to fight on LRC is so 1999.

Alan

Hey, Alan! Welcome to Tennessee! I think you'll like Clarksville. I'm 45 minutes away in Nashville near Joelton.

Tennesseeans are generally outgoing, friendly people... or at least they were pre-COVID. The weather is pretty good, but summers are kinda hot. Nearby Nashville is rated in the top-10 in the most beautiful city, most fun city, best vacation city... etc.

I can't really speak to the school situation. We have no kids so I don't follow this debate. Kids are walking Petri dishes so I try to avoid them as much as possible, even pre-COVID. It's reasonable to assume that even with masks, 100% of kids at school will be exposed to COVID by the end of the school year. ...and some of them will get COVID and bring it home to parents... and grandparents.

runner dad guy wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

It IS crazy low right now for sure for young children. There is some evidence that the Delta variant is more of a problem, but as I have said several times, the issue with COVID isn't ONLY death. We really don't want ANYONE getting COVID. Children (or anyone else) who gets it is then just a spreader. Beyond getting vaccinated so that we don't have big issues if we DO get COVID, people should do all they can to not get it.

Avoidance has major costs and consequences though. While anything is possible, there’s presently no reason to be overly concerned about long-term symptoms or recurrences.

All the kids I know that have gotten Covid have been absolutely fine…it’s a cold, that’s it.

1) I never said you should be "overly" concerned. You should be appropriately concerned.

2) As I said initially, it is LIKELY your kid will be fine. It is LIKELY that young children who are infected will be fine. They have a better chance of being fine than adults and teenagers. They can still spread it to more vulnerable populations, can still have acute problems themselves and can still have long haul problems.

3) Your anecdotal evidence/experience means nothing.

4) Comfort yourself by calling COVID a cold on any level if you want, but it is NOT that. Don't kid yourself.

fisky wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

What part of TN? I'm moving to Clarksville, TN.

Calling people out to fight on LRC is so 1999.

Alan

Hey, Alan! Welcome to Tennessee! I think you'll like Clarksville. I'm 45 minutes away in Nashville near Joelton.

Did either of you get the last train to Clarksville?

dfgefaczs24w23 wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

It IS crazy low right now for sure for young children. There is some evidence that the Delta variant is more of a problem, but as I have said several times, the issue with COVID isn't ONLY death. We really don't want ANYONE getting COVID. Children (or anyone else) who gets it is then just a spreader. Beyond getting vaccinated so that we don't have big issues if we DO get COVID, people should do all they can to not get it.

One of my teenagers still has no sense of smell after 4 months.

But who needs that, right?

The loss of smell is a pain in the ass result, but the freaky thing about it is:

"Why does COVID-19 affect smell and taste?

While the precise cause of smell dysfunction is not entirely understood, the mostly likely cause is damage to the cells that support and assist the olfactory neurons, called sustentacular cells."

easyone wrote:

Until someone can show me some actual data demonstrating otherwise, I see no reason to panic.

Good luck finding it or getting anyone to actually talk about it. Why use data when you can just post links to big scary articles about anecdotal stories?

a brother wrote:

I live in the DFW area and an article just came out that there are no available staffed ICU beds for kids.

And this sums up the Covid hysteria in a nutshell. We have had absolutely 0 overwhelming of the healthcare system other than when idiot East Coast governors infected all the nursing home populations. Yet someone writes an absurd article like this or puts this on a news report and idiots believe it without looking into it. This is absolutely false. There is no way they have no ICU availability for kids in one of our countries largest metros. After a year and half of this hospital overwhelming nonsense that has never come to fruition how anyone can still be this gullible is beyond.

And yes more kids have died of the Flu than Covid since the pandemic started yet no one has a paralyzing fear over their kid getting the Flu.

Just read an interesting interview with Michael Mina, an oft-cited Harvard expert, who says basically what I’ve been saying about kids and Covid exposure: it’s inevitable, and ultimately helpful, to be exposed (and vaccinated, when that’s possible):

I’ve always said that we’re going to age out of this virus. People are going to keep getting exposed. And whether it’s to Delta or to a variant in five months from now, every time you or I or anyone else gets exposed — they’re really building up a decent cushion of immunity with each of those exposures. So it’s only a matter of time before we actually have not only vaccine-derived immunity but natural infection-derived immunity, too.

When you start coupling all that together, you can picture it kind of like a sandwich, just continuing to stack up. Then we can start to say, okay, now, you know, even if the virus changes a bit, I’ve built up so much protection already. I’ve got all these antibodies that not only recognize the spike proteins from the virus, which is what we see with the vaccines, but I’ve now been exposed three times. And so even if the virus mutates this part, I already recognize these other parts. That’s kind of how we’re going to get out of this. That’s how our immune system learns. It’s going to be maybe a couple-year-long endeavor still, and everyone who’s been vaccinated probably will get exposed — eventually, hopefully, without causing any symptoms. I think we’ll get there, but it’s going to be a longer road than we’d like to believe.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2021/08/breakthrough-covid-19-cases-may-be-a-bigger-problem.html

Why is it always the pots (Flagpole) calling the kettles (everyone he doesn’t agree with) black (morons)?

Anyway vaccine efficacy has always been a shot in the dark and a very low bar.

“Discouraging Mayo Clinic data finds Pfizer’s COVID vaccine was just 42% effective in preventing COVID infections among the vaccinated as the Delta variant spreads. It appears as though mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) lose their potency over time especially in the face of variants."

It certainly does seem to reduce symptoms for at risk populations but the vaccines will continue to need boosters for the foreseeable future. Meanwhile natural immunity continues to be robust and durable. Leading one to conclude, especially for children, to not force vaccinations.

Jefe in the CO wrote:

Why is it always the pots (Flagpole) calling the kettles (everyone he doesn’t agree with) black (morons)?

Always the lowest functioning that resort to name calling when challenged. When name dropping and appeals to authority can't win an argument Flagpole immediately defaults to name calling. What a peach.

Flagpole wrote:

Slash from Spash wrote:

Dr Fauci admitted that naturally acquired immunity is better than the vaccine. I have been trying to get myself and my children infected before it mutates.

No he did not. He said the opposite. You're wrong.

He's not wrong. He's a liar. Let's call them like they are.

Kids with long COVID often had minor illnesses first, so you get by with limited symptoms at first, that doesn't mean they'll just skate by forever. Lung damage isn't exactly the thing I want my son or daughter to get started in life with but that's a frequent effect of COVID, and my son's too young to get vaccinated. So, go get vaccinated and leave him out of this.

Even boosters are not going to have that much effect mathematically with the delta variant, because it is so much more transmissible than alpha. The average patient would spread alpha to 3 people but delta to 6-8 people. So, you get an equation of the following to see what level of vaccination and effectiveness would be needed to contain it:

alpha Re=3x(1-.5x.95)=1.575. That's with current 50% vaccination rate and 95% effectiveness.

With 75% vaccination rate, the Re becomes 0.86, which is less than 1 and the virus goes away.

That all changes with delta.

delta Re=8x(1-.5x.85)=4.6. If pfizer and moderna are even less effective, that reproduction rate increases. Indeed, even with a 100% vaccination rate, you get an increase of the spread of the virus. The booster shot would not make much difference. You'd have to have basically 95% vaccination and 95% effectiveness to get the spread below 1 per covid infection, thus leading to the end of the pandemic.

Without that, you get the virus basically run through the population until you have herd immunity.

https://abc7chicago.com/coronavirus-vaccine-efficacy-against-delta-variant-covid-booster-shot-is-pfizer-effective/10949401/

This shows why you need to get mask mandates, social distancing, and limits on indoor dining, etc. back. That's how the viral spread decreased even before you had the vaccine and that's necessary to do it again. Vaccination, plus masking, plus distancing, are all necessary to end this pandemic now.

The Unkle wrote:

dfgefaczs24w23 wrote:

[quote]Flagpole wrote:

[quote]DanM wrote:

The infection fatality rate for children infected with Covid remains far less than that of the typical seasonal flu.

One of my teenagers still has no sense of smell after 4 months.

Well we better lock down everyone and force them all to take an endless array of vaccines made by the same industry that created and released the Covid

One of your teenagers has no sense of smell after 4 months because that teenager has brain damage.

highhoppingworm wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

Ever notice how these Covid devotees never discuss the points being made, but resort to name calling?

Same tactic the Israel First crowd has used for decades.

Lol this post has like 3 layers of irony.

Someone fails to understand irony

xczvzxcv wrote:

Kids with long COVID often had minor illnesses first, so you get by with limited symptoms at first, that doesn't mean they'll just skate by forever. Lung damage isn't exactly the thing I want my son or daughter to get started in life with but that's a frequent effect of COVID, and my son's too young to get vaccinated. So, go get vaccinated and leave him out of this.

Because vaccines are safe. Right? And no way there could be long term consequences from the vaxxes. After all, they got tested for a couple of months before approved.

[quote]xczvzxcv wrote:

Even boosters are not going to have that much effect mathematically with the delta variant, because it is so much more transmissible than alpha. The average patient would spread alpha to 3 people but delta to 6-8 people.

Can you find anything from say April 2020 saying the avg patient would spread alpha to 3 people?

I seem to remember them saying 6-8 people for Covid back then.