BREAKING NEWS !!! - Mboma (48.54) WITHDRAWN from the 400 in the Olympics (Yes, Really)

Things that make you go "Hmmm" wrote:

, but not African nations (unless a systemic doping/concealment culture is revealed, as many of us suspect exists in Ethiopia but not Kenya)

I've never heard that theory that there is a conceealment of doping in Ethiopia or Kenya. You act like it's a widespread belief? Can you elaborate? I've always said it makes no sense to me that doping would be much worse in Kenya than Ethiopia so the lack of many positives in Ethiopia has always confused me.

cramberrys wrote:

Good spot. Well, that confirms that they are XY.

And that should be the test, rather than T levels. Not invasive to test for, either. We have gender based events and that is the basic difference, for sporting purposes anyway.

I fully expect that these athletes will soon dominate the women's 200. We'll be chasing them up and down the track until they are ineligible for all female events. The only reasonable thing to do is allow them a class of their own.

I fully expect that these athletes will soon dominate the women's 200. We'll be chasing them up and down the track until they are ineligible for all female events. The only reasonable thing to do is allow them a class of their own.

buckeye123 wrote:

Well, the Europeans were voluntarily cheating, but these Africans that are being banned are just running as they are born. I actually think the IAAF has a bigger issue on their hands than just banning individual athletes. Most of the athletes that have been banned are Black Africans. What does that mean? Why is that? Also, just because Black Africans have a genetic advantage versus others, that means they should be banned? Many of these questions need to be answered.

None of them need to be answered because the answers are so obvious and have been thrashed out over and over.

Nice though - when logic fails, play the race card.

Karma Police wrote:

cramberrys wrote:

Good spot. Well, that confirms that they are XY.

And that should be the test, rather than T levels. Not invasive to test for, either. We have gender based events and that is the basic difference, for sporting purposes anyway.

If someone has XX chromosomes and ovaries, AND also has a high level of testosterone, that is perfectly fine according to the World Athletics rules.

World Athletics is not trying to prohibit 100% biological woman with high testosterone from competing. World Athletics is just trying to prevent intersex athletes that have XY chromosomes and testes from competing.

Having said that, if a 100% biological woman has abnormally high levels of testosterone, in most cases they would have other medical issues that would prevent them from being a world class athlete.

Viking21 wrote:

I fully expect that these athletes will soon dominate the women's 200. We'll be chasing them up and down the track until they are ineligible for all female events.

The only reasonable thing to do is allow them a class of their own.

When will be the first Olympics that will happen at? 2028 in liberal California?

Not Surprised At All wrote:

hl wrote:

Odd how often this happens.

Also odd is how often people believe ridiculously fast times from young women that come out of no where. Mboma, Masilingi, Seyni, Semenya, etc.

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

True. Very true.

trollism wrote:

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:

You can thank the (fake) woke liberal angry people mob for these people being encouraged to circumvent the gender rules. Appalling stuff.

Have a day off.

Barely any followers of the sport (of any political leaning) think that athletes like Semenya should be competing with the women.

You'd be much happier if you didn't see everything though a Republican vs Democrat lens. I appreciate you're not in a great place right now and you're a very angry person, but this might help you with your issues.

Inform us when a Republican administration insists on replacing "mother" with "birthing people" and claiming that "mother" is offensive and exclusive as the Biden Administration has. Inform us when a Republican administration insists that men can become pregnant and give birth. Until then, the Democrats have more than earned disparagement.

Like it is wrote:

trollism wrote:

Have a day off.

Barely any followers of the sport (of any political leaning) think that athletes like Semenya should be competing with the women.

You'd be much happier if you didn't see everything though a Republican vs Democrat lens. I appreciate you're not in a great place right now and you're a very angry person, but this might help you with your issues.

Inform us when a Republican administration insists on replacing "mother" with "birthing people" and claiming that "mother" is offensive and exclusive as the Biden Administration has. Inform us when a Republican administration insists that men can become pregnant and give birth. Until then, the Democrats have more than earned disparagement.

Correction of last sentence above: The Democrats have more than earned disparagement, and I hope the Republicans don't join them in this stupidity or insanity.

jeff tallon wrote:

i think mboma looks as femenine as any of her competitors,and to me she doesnt look like shes intersex.unfortunatly it was her 48.54 that gave her away.if she and beatrice masilingi had run 51.5's they would have gone to the olympics and their performances,and genders wouldnt have been questioned.the mistake they made was that they ran too fast.if theyd have held back,no one would be the wiser.

You are right. They could have just run fast enough to beat everyone by a meter or so and won gold.

Not Surprised At All wrote:

HashTag wrote:

OK but to many people on this planet Athing Mu has come out of nowhere in the sense that it is probably mostly U.S. fans that have been aware of her before this year. People do not “ need to learn” what you insist they learn.

Athing Mu has been a star runner for SEVERAL YEARS.

Mboma went from mediocre runner to number 1 in the world in a FEW MONTHS.

Big Difference!

Since she was 13 as a matter of fact and while MU was winning races at this young age, she wasn't running faster times than Olympic athletes. MU's time are also not earther shatteringly spectacular. She ran 49.57 for the 400M. Mboma is over a second faster than MU.

Yes it is. Sydney's PB prior to breaking the WR was 52.4. Had Sydney run 49.9 then you could question it as this would be outside the bounds of what a female athlete should be able to run for the 400MH.

Mu while fast has never run a sub 50 nor a sub 1.5 for the 800. So you absolutely cannot compare them.

HashTag wrote:

Not sure why you would need to lie about Athing Mu’s age. She is 19. Mboma is in Namibia. Are you aware of her opportunities to train well and compete before this year? She did NOT have all the advantages that Mu has had when it comes to coaching and training environment.

So then where did Mboma suddenly get the advantages to have her go from 51.5 to 48.5 in 3 months. That alone should tell you that something was drastically off.

A similar scenario occurred in 2019.

Niger sprinter Aminatou Seyni is set to bring the contentious eligibility rules regarding athletes with Differences of Sexual Development (DSD) back into the limelight at the world championships.

After storming home to win her 200m opening-round heat on Monday night in Doha, Seyni confirmed she had been banned from her favoured event, the 400m.

The International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) has ruled that DSD athletes must take medication to suppress their testosterone if they are to compete in any events ranging from 400m to the mile.

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/sports/iaaf-world-championships-aminatou-seyni-blocked-800-caster-semenya-differences-sexual-development-093920737.html

Please supply a credible link documenting any of this nonsense.

NYDCRunner1 wrote:

HashTag wrote:

Not sure why you would need to lie about Athing Mu’s age. She is 19. Mboma is in Namibia. Are you aware of her opportunities to train well and compete before this year? She did NOT have all the advantages that Mu has had when it comes to coaching and training environment.

So then where did Mboma suddenly get the advantages to have her go from 51.5 to 48.5 in 3 months. That alone should tell you that something was drastically off.

The crazy thing is that the way Mboma kept getting faster, Mboma might have been approaching the world record of 47.6 later this year.

As much as I would like that world record to be broken, I would like it to be broken by a 100% biological woman that is not on drugs.

Who's Going and Who's Staying wrote:

hl wrote:

Odd how often this happens.

But how exactly did World Athletics determine they are both intersex?

I don't see an apple here?

whaletail wrote:

Please supply a credible link documenting any of this nonsense.

It's not nonsense. Their coach has confirmed that both runners have been removed from the 400 for the Olympics.