Sifan MF Hassan - Runs 29:06.82 10,000 WR!

So the lights offer some advantage in helping to keep an even pace. But that is NOT the reason that Hassan broke the record. Without the shoes she probably does not break the record. Without the lights she probably breaks it by less than she did.

Lol. The late 90s called and want their epo back.

sderd wrote:

So the lights offer some advantage in helping to keep an even pace. But that is NOT the reason that Hassan broke the record. Without the shoes she probably does not break the record. Without the lights she probably breaks it by less than she did.

How do you know? Seriously how do you and would you know? You're the same idiot that hadn't even watched the race and didn't even know she had run next to the leading set of light for 90% of the race before you spouted off on how she ran on her own for the majority of the race which was absolutely factually incorrect . Your opinion - and that's all it is, holds zero credibility. Time to tuck yourself into bed- you got school tomorrow little man.

Wave-light pacing won't help a runner whose limit is 29.30 run 29. It won't enable Hassan run 28.30 - unless she can run that fast. It will however help a runner to run their fastest possible time. But that requires factoring in talent, training, shoes and doping - and not just pacing. All are now present. Especially doping. Without doubt.

great performance by Hasssan, but the Olympic 10000m WR in 2016 more impressive in my opinion for a couple reasons-competition and no artificial pacing....

francine wrote:

wonder if Nick Willis has anything to say

Yeah she would have been 26:06 if she had chewed my special gum

In a 800m, wavelight may not matter much., but in the 10000m, it's huge. Just compare the splits of Bekele's 26:17 to Cheptegai 26:11 and now Hassan 29:06. You can see Bekele splits were pretty uneven (relatively speaking of course), fluctuating between 2:35 to 2:40 per km till the last 1k in 2:32 while Cheptegai's were almost dead even, right on 2:37-2:38. A guy with common sense would know a lot of energy was lost for Bekele. Those who say wavelight doesn't do the running are also right, but I would argue, wavelight helps you run close to or even optimize your potential like nothing else. Say a guy with 26:00 potential, wavelight might help him run 26:05, but without it, he might be running 26:10 or even 26:15-20, and 5-15 secs is huge at that level.

On a side note, one thing incredible about Komen's 3K WR that makes it so unbreakable is the pacing . All laps were run in 58-59s (compared to El g 7:23). Dude just had an internal metronome (and he did have a good pacer running besides him for 2k). With wavelight, every top guy or girl is equipped with it now and that sucks IMO.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Wave-light pacing won't help a runner whose limit is 29.30 run 29. It won't enable Hassan run 28.30 - unless she can run that fast. It will however help a runner to run their fastest possible time. But that requires factoring in talent, training, shoes and doping - and not just pacing. All are now present. Especially doping. Without doubt.

Correct. Sometimes you nail it. Then you have Salvatore who sometimes nails it but here he is playing the fool.

Mohammed Farrah wrote:

francine wrote:

wonder if Nick Willis has anything to say

Yeah she would have been 26:06 if she had chewed my special gum

wrong Nick bro lol

In an interview with the Dutch press, she stated her legs didn't feel great because of jetlag issues [she also didn't sleep well] and decided to run conservatively, and stay with the lights until the near end. This is also what Jos Hermens was reminding her off [to take it easy].

All in all, a good season opener [I guess the 14:34/5 was a 10k pace effort training through, note that she ran that 5000 solo without pacemaker in fairly even splits]

Thanks for the video, although you might have warned us about the incredibly grating and annoying voice of the female commentator lol.

BZ wrote:

In an interview with the Dutch press, she stated her legs didn't feel great because of jetlag issues [she also didn't sleep well] and decided to run conservatively, and stay with the lights until the near end. This is also what Jos Hermens was reminding her off [to take it easy].

All in all, a good season opener [I guess the 14:34/5 was a 10k pace effort training through, note that she ran that 5000 solo without pacemaker in fairly even splits]

That supported the theory that Cheptegai ran the 3K as part of 5K/10K training, and Armsweaklivs, as always, goes home devastated...

Shes always been on drugs,or at least epo.Now shes on cocktails of drugs including epo,plus those springy shoes and her running is otherworldly.

Wavelight helps a lot. Removing that uncertainty about your pace, especially mid-race when the required pace starts to feel harder, is a relief from the mental strain. But the lights won't help an athlete who isn't fit enough. I watched the 10000 European Cup on Saturday where they had lights for the Oly qualifier. A lot of people needed that time, all they had to do in theory was sit on the lights and coast to the qualifier. Turns out it's not that easy

Sledge_Hammer wrote:

BZ wrote:

In an interview with the Dutch press, she stated her legs didn't feel great because of jetlag issues [she also didn't sleep well] and decided to run conservatively, and stay with the lights until the near end. This is also what Jos Hermens was reminding her off [to take it easy].

All in all, a good season opener [I guess the 14:34/5 was a 10k pace effort training through, note that she ran that 5000 solo without pacemaker in fairly even splits]

That supported the theory that Cheptegai ran the 3K as part of 5K/10K training, and Armsweaklivs, as always, goes home devastated...

Sure. Everything is just training for a longer race now. If it wasn't for the jetlag I guess she could have run 28.30.

Gosh, I wonder what Zatopek could have run with wavelight! But we all know he trained like a p*ssy. And not too much in the nature of EPO then.

That equates to about a 13:55 5km! A Sub 14 5km must be super close for her now.

jeff tallon wrote:

Shes always been on drugs,or at least epo.Now shes on cocktails of drugs including epo,plus those springy shoes and her running is otherworldly.

Watching her, it does actually look to me that she is bouncing off the track.

rojo wrote:

It's not that hard to get pacing light. I will pay for the pacing lights for any WR attempt. I'll call up the guy at Light Speed Pacing lights. They had them at both of the indoor meets we broadcast this winter and they were only set up 30 minutes before the race started.

Thanks for the shout!

-LightSpeedPacing guy