The problem with this workout is not that the miles slowed down, although that's obviously not ideal, but that she's running 4*mile faster than her 2 mile race pace. That is an idiotic workout, especially for a high school athlete. Crap like that leads to shortened adult running careers.
I can't wait to see this girl run 14:59 in her junior year of college. She will be running 4xmile in 4:45 and you guys will be moaning that she is training too hard even though she is winning NCAA championships.
If she was running faster than her 2-mile race pace, she would be UNABLE to complete this workout with only 2 minutes and 30 seconds of rest.
Watch the video. Her past PRs mean nothing with how she successfully handled this workout
run more not less wrote:
I can't wait to see this girl run 14:59 in her junior year of college. She will be running 4xmile in 4:45 and you guys will be moaning that she is training too hard even though she is winning NCAA championships.
She'll be injured before XC season even starts if there is one.
Bookmark it.
7empest wrote:
Brown is an elite runner in one event, but the top four recruits in 2020 are great in events from 800m and up. These four will not get there senior year of Track and they still will go down as all-time greats because of their incredible range!!!! These four are on so many all time list in many different events over their CC, indoor, and outdoor track seasons over the years. They are prepared for the next level. Brown’s coaches are doing her a great disservice right now. I honestly feel sad for her, because she obviously has great talent.
Can you point me to any of them running a top level 800? Heck has any of them even broken 2:10 much less something like 2:05? They all look like a bunch. of 5k runners from where I am sitting. None of them have the speed that people like Cain and Efraimson had. And of course for a bunch of them their best days were as sophmores. That is never a good trend line.
I would not hazard a guess who. will be best in college. The. list of times that. the "B" tier runners pass the more "talent". group. is pretty darn long. Predicting who. will continue to develop is hard. And no just looking at HS training. doesn't tell. you a ton. Some. guys train really hard in HS and keep improving. Some don't train much in HS and then don't improve in college (i.e. they spend. 4 years with various injuries. They dont have the talent to train).
rabbit run wrote:
The problem with this workout is not that the miles slowed down, although that's obviously not ideal, but that she's running 4*mile faster than her 2 mile race pace. That is an idiotic workout, especially for a high school athlete. Crap like that leads to shortened adult running careers.
The workout is straightforward and normal. The only thing idiotic on this threads are posts like yours. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. You should be taking notes because you opinion isn't worth squat.
She has an incredible sense of pace.
malmo wrote:
rabbit run wrote:
The problem with this workout is not that the miles slowed down, although that's obviously not ideal, but that she's running 4*mile faster than her 2 mile race pace. That is an idiotic workout, especially for a high school athlete. Crap like that leads to shortened adult running careers.
The workout is straightforward and normal. The only thing idiotic on this threads are posts like yours. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. You should be taking notes because you opinion isn't worth squat.
She has an incredible sense of pace.
If someone cannot maintain the prescribed pace for 4 X mile with 2:30 rest because it's faster than their 2 mile PR pace, then the workout is designed stupidly. Even if she could maintain the pace, {which she clearly cannot} the workout is designed stupidly because doing 4 X mile at faster than 2 mile pace with 2:30 rest is stupid. Even if for some reason someone is stupid and thinks that doing 4 X mile at faster than 2 mile pace wasn't stupid, it's still stupid to be doing it for absolutely no reason other than to impress Milesplit.
Have I mentioned that the workout is stupid?
Are you a coach? I can't find anything wrong with this workout. A strength builder and a great indicator of relative fitness depending on where she is in her training/racing cycle. IF you are a coach, could it be that you have never trained an athlete of this caliber?
She mentions that this is about the time she would normally be peaking in track, so running a very hard 4x mile workout makes a lot of sense given that she can't race. It's in no way comparable to running this workout between races in a regular season.
Also, I doubt it's faster than her 2-mile ability right now. I'd be surprised if she's not in 9:30s shape. That still makes it a brutal workout. But as a race substitute, not brutal.
Also, she looks ready to kick some ass.
LRP- I've heard this said before- that you should not get too good in high school, because that reduces how fast you can run later in life.
Please explain how it works and the evidence and how it was discovered.
It seems so important- you have to avoid progressing too fast- and if you improve too much, it reduces your lifetime best possible performance.
Is this why Kenyan's don't succeed on the international level- they get too fast too young?
This is probably the single best workout that I have seen a high school girl complete and yet the OP thinks it is the stupidest one he has seen.
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
7empest wrote:
Brown is an elite runner in one event, but the top four recruits in 2020 are great in events from 800m and up. These four will not get there senior year of Track and they still will go down as all-time greats because of their incredible range!!!! These four are on so many all time list in many different events over their CC, indoor, and outdoor track seasons over the years. They are prepared for the next level. Brown’s coaches are doing her a great disservice right now. I honestly feel sad for her, because she obviously has great talent.
Can you point me to any of them running a top level 800? Heck has any of them even broken 2:10 much less something like 2:05? They all look like a bunch. of 5k runners from where I am sitting. None of them have the speed that people like Cain and Efraimson had. And of course for a bunch of them their best days were as sophmores. That is never a good trend line.
I would not hazard a guess who. will be best in college. The. list of times that. the "B" tier runners pass the more "talent". group. is pretty darn long. Predicting who. will continue to develop is hard. And no just looking at HS training. doesn't tell. you a ton. Some. guys train really hard in HS and keep improving. Some don't train much in HS and then don't improve in college (i.e. they spend. 4 years with various injuries. They dont have the talent to train).
Do your research dude! Dudek 2:08, Starliper/Tuohy 2:09, Hart 2:10. Not bad for there weakest event out of all the events I listed. Out of all the events I listed this is all you got????? Wow!
Hmmmm....,,,bunch of 5k runners????? Starliper 6th all time in 1600m 4:37, Tuohy #1 all time mile 4:33, Hart #7 all time in 1600m, Dudek #1 all time 1600m Indoor 4:41, Starliper #4 all time Indoor Mile 4:37, Tuohy #9 all time 1500m, Starliper #5 all time Indoor 1500m 4:19, Tuohy #6 all time Indoor 1500m 4:19. Really?!?!?! Bunch of 5k runners.... oh ok!!!!
Brown all time 1600m list #235 at 4:48 and of course her stellar 800m speed of 2:18. Yep this is the greatest high school runner everyone has crowned because of a workout?!?!?! In the words of Allen Iverson, “Practice?!?! We are talking about Practice?!?!?”
run more not less wrote:
This is probably the single best workout that I have seen a high school girl complete and yet the OP thinks it is the stupidest one he has seen.
The OP doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
It's about physiology.
It is terrible that they are training her to die to a 4:57 at the end of a 5k. Worst case, that gets 15:30 but maybe 15:20 if she gets out fast. Better if she could knock out all 4 repeats at 4:52. Sub 4:50 would be even better if she is ever going to shoot for sub 15. Her coach needs to get her moving if she is going to set the 2 mile and 5k records next year. Actually, she may do it this year at Nationals in July.
You all need to get over yourselves and stop taking yourselves so seriously. I would guess that this was not a typical workout for her. They recorded a video of the workout for Pete's sake. The point was to show off her fitness, not to work out and demonstrate a typical training day.
What's wrong with a fit athlete racing every now and then.
You guys do realize that she would have some races this Spring if it weren't for the pandemic, right?
Since when are athletes so fragile that they can't race? Would you have sat out a race when you felt perfectly fit just because you had a headcase imagined idea that you would burn out as a result of one day of racing?
She's not that fragile.
For me this workout/social media video has all the hallmarks of an Instagram 'look at how amazing and fast I am' showboat affair. The fact it was video'd and she is wearing Next%'s give it away.
Yes that is what it is. She is showcasing her 15:30 fitness. This is a 17 year old girl that we all should be excited about for her future. Not another high school girl could complete this workout.
run more not less wrote:
Yes that is what it is. She is showcasing her 15:30 fitness. This is a 17 year old girl that we all should be excited about for her future. Not another high school girl could complete this workout.
Anyone who hasn't run 15:30, is not showcasing 15:30. There was an option - to run 5k in 15:30, with the VF on the same course (2 U-turns).
People here don't criticize the girl. She is doing what her coach prescribes her. We are just saying this workout serves no purpose.
She needs speed and threshold, not VO2MAX/lactate tolerance workout. Her 3k and 5k are MUCH better than her 800 and Mile.
Classic Tinman workout would have been 5-6x1 Mile @5:20-5:30 (whatever her threshold is), followed by 5x200 in 34-35. That way she would lower her threshold and also gain leg strength, to improve her 2:18/4:50.
What did Tuohy do on her workout Wednesday? One time she did 6x1k @3:18 (~5:15/mi), around the time she ran 15:37 as sophomore. Another time, as senior she did 4xMile from 5:35 to 5:25 followed by a 400 and 200 (72/34). Few months after, she became NXN XC champion.
Again - if she wants to show her fitness or do something hard, she should do what everyone else is doing right now - a TIME TRIAL. Anything else should aim to optimize fitness, without neglecting her weaknesses, which seems to be basic speed atm (and this is best improved at young age).
run more not less wrote:
Yes that is what it is. She is showcasing her 15:30 fitness. This is a 17 year old girl that we all should be excited about for her future. Not another high school girl could complete this workout.
Oh Please stop!!!!!! There are at least 10 girls or more who could do this workout. Their coaches just would not have them do it. If they were going to run this hard they would just do a time trial.