Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

TheIdiotInTheRoom wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

LOL!

Ukraine is #2 behind Russia.

Both countries are garbage. Both countries are corrupt oligarchic shams of democracy.

I've never supported Putin I've just pointed out that his thinking is rational whatever anyone's opinion on the righteousness of the invasion is.

We're $30 trillion in debt. We shouldn't be sending aid to anyone.

What's rational about it? All it did was force Europe to strengthen their alliance. Spurred Germany to massively increase defense spending and drop Russian gas. It set the Russian economy back decades and exposed the Russian military as a joke. The rational thing to do would have been to retreat after the first day when Putin realized he was going to get his *ss kicked all day every day and twice on Sunday.

Do you believe that businesses that are in debt should stop advertising? Or, do you not understand that a little money spent now can lead to greater returns in the future? There's that selfishness showing again - only spend money on yourself - right?

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

TheIdiotInTheRoom wrote:

What's rational about it? All it did was force Europe to strengthen their alliance. Spurred Germany to massively increase defense spending and drop Russian gas. It set the Russian economy back decades and exposed the Russian military as a joke. The rational thing to do would have been to retreat after the first day when Putin realized he was going to get his *ss kicked all day every day and twice on Sunday.

Do you believe that businesses that are in debt should stop advertising? Or, do you not understand that a little money spent now can lead to greater returns in the future? There's that selfishness showing again - only spend money on yourself - right?

Putin assumed that the west would sit on its hands as it did when he took Georgia in 2008 and the Crimea in 2014. He also assumed Ukraine wouldn't fight.

He was wrong.

The US has spent TRILLIONS on foreign aid and defending Europeans from Russia. In return we have European countries with sparkling infrastructure and free college and healthcare that hate the US.

Imagine how nice America would be if we hadn't wasted TRILLIONS babysitting the world.

NATO wouldn't even pay for its own defense until AFTER the invasion and even then they refused to stop guzzling Russian energy.

When you're plane is crashing you put your oxygen on first. You cannot help anyone if you're dead. The US is circling the drain and once the US falls the world is going to be a horrible place. If you think Putin is a monster wait until you people find out about China...

OH...TX wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

The US has spent TRILLIONS on foreign aid and defending Europeans from Russia. In return we have European countries with sparkling infrastructure and free college and healthcare that hate the US.

Imagine how nice America would be if we hadn't wasted TRILLIONS babysitting the world.

NATO wouldn't even pay for its own defense until AFTER the invasion and even then they refused to stop guzzling Russian energy.

When you're plane is crashing you put your oxygen on first. You cannot help anyone if you're dead. The US is circling the drain and once the US falls the world is going to be a horrible place. If you think Putin is a monster wait until you people find out about China...

America got historically rich capitalizing on the stable, post-WWII markets that we created with NATO and the Marshall plan. The "TRILLIONS" we have spent on defense and foreign aid in the past 75 years have led to some of the greatest returns in world history.

But you're only capable of Trump-brain, zero-sum, thinking.

TheIdiotInTheRoom wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Putin assumed that the west would sit on its hands as it did when he took Georgia in 2008 and the Crimea in 2014. He also assumed Ukraine wouldn't fight.

He was wrong.

The US has spent TRILLIONS on foreign aid and defending Europeans from Russia. In return we have European countries with sparkling infrastructure and free college and healthcare that hate the US.

Imagine how nice America would be if we hadn't wasted TRILLIONS babysitting the world.

NATO wouldn't even pay for its own defense until AFTER the invasion and even then they refused to stop guzzling Russian energy.

When you're plane is crashing you put your oxygen on first. You cannot help anyone if you're dead. The US is circling the drain and once the US falls the world is going to be a horrible place. If you think Putin is a monster wait until you people find out about China...

If it was so RATIONAL he wouldn't have been so WRONG. It was clearly IRRATIONAL based on the results. Just like surrounding himself with yes-men made his little bits all tingly, but wasn't actually RATIONAL if he wanted a realistic perspective on the state of the Russian military's combat readiness.

Interesting you bring up China, since they are currently investing billions (if not trillions) of dollars around the globe. Are you saying this is a foolish strategy? Or that there's wisdom in investing in foreign countries like the US has done (through both infrastructure and aid)?

OH...TX wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

The US has spent TRILLIONS on foreign aid and defending Europeans from Russia. In return we have European countries with sparkling infrastructure and free college and healthcare that hate the US.

Imagine how nice America would be if we hadn't wasted TRILLIONS babysitting the world.

NATO wouldn't even pay for its own defense until AFTER the invasion and even then they refused to stop guzzling Russian energy.

When you're plane is crashing you put your oxygen on first. You cannot help anyone if you're dead. The US is circling the drain and once the US falls the world is going to be a horrible place. If you think Putin is a monster wait until you people find out about China...

America got historically rich capitalizing on the stable, post-WWII markets that we created with NATO and the Marshall plan. The "TRILLIONS" we have spent on defense and foreign aid in the past 75 years have led to some of the greatest returns in world history.

But you're only capable of Trump-brain, zero-sum, thinking.

Heartless wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

No one cares if Ukraine is or isn’t a Democracy. The Ukrainian government may have tortured kittens for fun but now they have a globally unifying cause to protect their civilians.
Who has caused 5+ million to flee their homes? Who is bombing apartment blocks and killing thousands of civilians?

I know it’s enraging that you “secretly” know the “truth” about the Ukrainian government but the world doesn’t care if bad people are in charge. They care that Ukraine is being invaded and millions of people killed or displaced.

Adult has a very naive and childish view of how the world works. The irony :)

Ukraine being invaded is EXACTLY what Euro/Russian experts have been saying would happen for 15+ years now if the perpetual and nonsensical US-NATO expansion didn’t stop.

Like most wars in our lifetime, the US helped provoke this reaction, and then - as always - dishonestly “manufactures consent” to the ignorant masses. And as always, you dolts eat it up. (I’ve been guilty of it in that past, too.)

But it is great fun watching Liberal voters fully supporting the military industrial complex’s agenda nowadays. LOL

Heartless wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

No one cares if Ukraine is or isn’t a Democracy. The Ukrainian government may have tortured kittens for fun but now they have a globally unifying cause to protect their civilians.
Who has caused 5+ million to flee their homes? Who is bombing apartment blocks and killing thousands of civilians?

I know it’s enraging that you “secretly” know the “truth” about the Ukrainian government but the world doesn’t care if bad people are in charge. They care that Ukraine is being invaded and millions of people killed or displaced.

Adult has a very naive and childish view of how the world works. The irony :)

Ukraine being invaded is EXACTLY what Euro/Russian experts have been saying would happen for 15+ years now if the perpetual and nonsensical US-NATO expansion didn’t stop.

Like most wars in our lifetime, the US helped provoke this reaction, and then - as always - dishonestly “manufactures consent” to the ignorant masses. And as always, you dolts eat it up. (I’ve been guilty of it in that past, too.)

But it is great fun watching Liberal voters fully supporting the military industrial complex’s agenda nowadays. LOL