The general understanding is that the accused here has a considerable rap sheet, meaning both felony and misdemeanor convictions. I don't understand why the prosecution is not making that publicly available. In many jurisdictions, such information is publicly available to anyone. I understand that revealing such information may give rise to questions as to why this guy wasn't deported - an event which obviously would have helped Paul Pelosi - but it is information that is in the public interest.
The general understanding is that the accused here has a considerable rap sheet, meaning both felony and misdemeanor convictions. I don't understand why the prosecution is not making that publicly available. In many jurisdictions, such information is publicly available to anyone. I understand that revealing such information may give rise to questions as to why this guy wasn't deported - an event which obviously would have helped Paul Pelosi - but it is information that is in the public interest.
Criminology suggests the evidence is NOT exculpatory to Paul Pelosi, himself a confessed-- under duress-- DUI, with questions about that case still unanswered. If DePape did strike Pelosi as alleged, it could just as well be self-defense...
MEANWHILE, this is odd! Who do we blame for any lapses by Capitol Police? What party is presently in control of this branch of law enforcement?
The Capitol Police has live cameras outside Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s home — but officers were reportedly not watching the feeds when her husband was brutally assaulted.
Joe Manchin is reviled by the Democratic party because he wouldn't toe the line.
Bill Clinton literally couldn't win a primary in today's Democratic party. His positions from the 90s would be considered pure fascism by today's unhinged Democrats.
But also
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
The democratic party is very much a monolith.
You're arguing that the Democratic Party is a monolith where everyone shares the exact same views no matter their background. But also that Democrats like Joe Manchin and the Clintons are unelectable. Which is it? Because it can't be both.
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
From nursing homes in Wisconsin
The bipartisan commission voted 6-0 to not have state officials assist the nursing homes in voting because they were all barring visitors due to risks of the residents contracting COVID-19 and dying. So they mailed them all mail-in ballots and relied on nursing home staff to assist. There were a few credible allegations of a cognitively impaired resident submitting a ballot. I'm sure it happened. It wasn't widespread and wasn't engineered by Democrats to flip Wisconsin for Biden.
If you think Biden gives a damn about anyone but Biden you're a fool.
Biden's no saint and is very flawed. But you have just described Trump to a T. Trump would sell out anyone to advance his own interests. Even his own Vice President for doing his constitutionally obligated duty.
The testimony came during a public hearing by the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol by a violent pro-Trump mob.
I am hesitant to speculate on any of the facts of the crime or the motives of the accused. But disclosing the accused's convictions seems to be an easy transparent step and query why it disclosure has not happened. The optics give rise to lots of questions.
The general understanding is that the accused here has a considerable rap sheet, meaning both felony and misdemeanor convictions. I don't understand why the prosecution is not making that publicly available. In many jurisdictions, such information is publicly available to anyone. I understand that revealing such information may give rise to questions as to why this guy wasn't deported - an event which obviously would have helped Paul Pelosi - but it is information that is in the public interest.
Criminology suggests the evidence is NOT exculpatory to Paul Pelosi, himself a confessed-- under duress-- DUI, with questions about that case still unanswered. If DePape did strike Pelosi as alleged, it could just as well be self-defense...
MEANWHILE, this is odd! Who do we blame for any lapses by Capitol Police? What party is presently in control of this branch of law enforcement?
If Melania Trump was attacked by a Trump hater who fractured her skull with a hammer blow, I am guessing you would not have the same concerns. You would probably be pretty upset and angry about the attack and concerned about Melania.
Criminology suggests the evidence is NOT exculpatory to Paul Pelosi, himself a confessed-- under duress-- DUI, with questions about that case still unanswered. If DePape did strike Pelosi as alleged, it could just as well be self-defense...
MEANWHILE, this is odd! Who do we blame for any lapses by Capitol Police? What party is presently in control of this branch of law enforcement?
If Melania Trump was attacked by a Trump hater who fractured her skull with a hammer blow, I am guessing you would not have the same concerns. You would probably be pretty upset and angry about the attack and concerned about Melania.
Am I wrong?
You are absolutely wrong. All I want are facts, clearly and transparently presented, and as vigorous a defense for the alleged perpetrator as warranted. This has nothing do with the banalities of political "ideology" but the ETHICS of justice.
Not that this incident is anywhere near as significant as the crimes ascribed Lee Harvey Oswald (did not act alone, might not have been the shooter or only shooter), James Earl Ray (almost certainly NOT the shooter and Sirhan Sirhan but it's the search for TRUTH(S), not "winners" or "losers"-- though JFK, MLK, & RFK all lost big-- that interests me.
I am hesitant to speculate on any of the facts of the crime or the motives of the accused. But disclosing the accused's convictions seems to be an easy transparent step and query why it disclosure has not happened. The optics give rise to lots of questions.
You are hesitant to do a simple google search is what you mean of course.
If Melania Trump was attacked by a Trump hater who fractured her skull with a hammer blow, I am guessing you would not have the same concerns. You would probably be pretty upset and angry about the attack and concerned about Melania.
Am I wrong?
You are absolutely wrong. All I want are facts, clearly and transparently presented, and as vigorous a defense for the alleged perpetrator as warranted. This has nothing do with the banalities of political "ideology" but the ETHICS of justice.
Not that this incident is anywhere near as significant as the crimes ascribed Lee Harvey Oswald (did not act alone, might not have been the shooter or only shooter), James Earl Ray (almost certainly NOT the shooter and Sirhan Sirhan but it's the search for TRUTH(S), not "winners" or "losers"-- though JFK, MLK, & RFK all lost big-- that interests me.
You are a moran. This is an attempted murder investigation. Information is not going to be publicized to rubes like you until this has been analyzed and resolved.
Sealioning is "a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence,often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity ("I'm just trying to have a debate"), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter."
That description fits what Carmine has been doing in recent posts perfectly. See bolded sections above.
A vote for Trump is a vote against America. The fact that you saw what he did in the 4 years and you said to yourself "yep, he's changed my mind he is definitely the man for the job" should disqualify you from this conversation. Y
I’m about to vote for Josh Shapiro and John Fetterman. You really want to go there you pvssy?
ha ha ha ha. This is funny, a Trumpy threatening to use their vote. I say go for it partner, vote for Dr. Oz.
So the official story hinges on three unlikely events.
1. The guy smashed in glass to enter the house and the glass ended up outside.
2. The guy takes a break from assaulting Pelosi to allow Pelosi a bathroom break where he has his cell phone and calls the cop.
3. The cops arrive and the guy agrees to take a break from their life and death struggle over a hammer to allow Pelosi to open the door.
Other shaky details are that there apparently was no human security and no video security of the break in. Plus the failure to allow us to see the cops bodycams.
Does not hold together
Carmine, don't you think the police would be the first to call out this liberal conspiracy or were they purchased by the libs?
It is not a monolith. Joe Manchin is not the same as AOC who is not the same as Bill Clinton. And they're not the people who voted for Biden whom you've never met or heard of, who live in Mobile, Alabama or Pugent Sound, Washington. Do you have a single liberal friend who you can talk with about this?
Are Joy Behar and Lebron James not both rich and famous? Do they not both speak on TV on an almost daily basis? The lower income people who pack Trump's rallies have virtually nothing in common with him, but they'll still support him even if he shoots a man on Fifth Avenue. But I know that doesn't mean that every GOP voter is the same.
There is no credible evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election. You could make a lot of money if you could uncover any. Trump would right you a big check if you could prove that he actually won enough swing states to make him president.
"People will cheat if you let them. This is a truism of humanity since the dawn of time." Will you cheat on your spouse if you can get away with it? Will you steal from your friends and job if they don't notice?
"If you mail ballots out unsolicited to everyone and then you make it impossible to validate the ballot you're going to get fraudulent ballots." Didn't happen. People were mailed unsolicited [strong]applications[/strong] to apply for mail-in ballots.
Biden was not a great candidate, but Trump was historically bad. Someone who simply didn't care about appealing to the center of the country and didn't care about making things better for most people, only pleasing his base.
Joe Manchin is reviled by the Democratic party because he wouldn't toe the line.
Bill Clinton literally couldn't win a primary in today's Democratic party. His positions from the 90s would be considered pure fascism by today's unhinged Democrats.
There's plenty of evidence of fraud in 2020. From nursing homes in Wisconsin to fake addresses in Nevada.
You should check out how Pennsylvania ran the 2020 election. It absolutely happened.
If you think Biden gives a damn about anyone but Biden you're a fool.
The idea of mail in voting fraud is a possibility for sure. What I don't understand is your assumption that only one side would be wicked enough to do this and the other side is so moral they would never do this. Explain your logic in this.
So the official story hinges on three unlikely events.
1. The guy smashed in glass to enter the house and the glass ended up outside.
2. The guy takes a break from assaulting Pelosi to allow Pelosi a bathroom break where he has his cell phone and calls the cop.
3. The cops arrive and the guy agrees to take a break from their life and death struggle over a hammer to allow Pelosi to open the door.
Other shaky details are that there apparently was no human security and no video security of the break in. Plus the failure to allow us to see the cops bodycams.
Does not hold together
Carmine, don't you think the police would be the first to call out this liberal conspiracy or were they purchased by the libs?
COPS are public servants-- they "care" but they care first of all their jobs.
Furthermore, in this instance, how many police were actually witness to the alleged crimes?
All this idiotic discussion and digression will end ** IF ** there's any evidence than DePape actually broke in.
At present, none has been offered, nor is the "attempted murder" charge anything but prosecutorial overreach and propaganda.
"Weird" how the fraud "liberals" are totally cool with an alleged confession given without DePape having a lawyer.
Yeah, he's "CRAAAAZEEEEEE" man but not so "crazy" he can't wave off his Miranda rights, huh?
The lower income people who pack Trump's rallies . . .
This is a common myth that should be dispelled. There certainly are some lower-income folks at his rallies (as well as some wealthy ones), but the great bulk of his support--at rallies and in the voting booth--comes from the middle class. Even Nate Silver figured that out:
These are people who feel like they have a lot to lose and resist change accordingly. Until Dems en masse understand this, they're going to have trouble creating solid majorities.
Yeah. Republican/conservative politics is about making sure money continues to stay in the pockets of the already wealthy.
They've learned though that they can pick up low-income voters by appealing to their social conservatism. They can get many more votes by talking about guns/abortion/transgenders/migration than they will ever do talking about marginal tax rates or debt-to-GDP ratios.
