Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
Yessiree Bob wrote:
He mocked suffering innocents, I mock a garbage human who mocked suffering innocents, may he Rest in Piss.
Oh geez, you are actually soulless. I am sorry. For the love of........tone down the hatred a bit. That is not healthy.
Yeah I’m not but he was a soulless POS. My sympathies rest with the innocents that soulless POS and others like him (may they Rest In Piss) actively assisted in murdering with their lies and disinformation.
Harambe wrote:
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
Wow, you really really need conclusion to this don't you? I think you have a mental problem, that is my conclusion. Can we do excess deaths of people over 65 and the "true death toll" in these groups for the top corona virus of 2015 now? Please please, do 2015! You have basically stated that now that the susceptible have been hit hard, covid is not anything to worry about anymore and that all of this now is just hype to sell more vaccines. I get it, yes, that is correct.
Lol let's not forget this argument started because you claimed that the vaccines are driving the increase in case numbers in highly vaccinated countries.
This is obviously false and there is no convincing evidence for it.
Excess death estimates show that the entire world has been hit hard by COVID. That is not surprising. Some countries with older populations will suffer more, nothing says that young people don't have to 'worry about COVID.' No, they should have the vaccine offered to them as soon as we can!
Anyway, Biden is going to mandate the vaccine for kids this fall and I cannot wait for you to lose your mind.
You are showing your true totalitarian colors aren't you. The loser will try, but you turds won't pull off killing everyone. The people will resist. RC must be disappointed with your failure here.
Well, ~650,000 deaths and ~330,000,000 people have died of this. I’m not very good at math so you might want to ask the bro but that’s a pretty low percentage, toss in some long term cases and probably still not at 1% of population has any serious issue w Covid. Sorry you’re not understanding but you’ll grow up
Anyway, Biden is going to mandate the vaccine for kids this fall and I cannot wait for you to lose your mind.
Biden mandating kids is like Hitler putting a badge on the Jews, except we American. We done listening. Liberals don’t own enough guns to pull that one off.
Noyankee wrote:
Well, ~650,000 deaths and ~330,000,000 people have died of this. I’m not very good at math so you might want to ask the bro but that’s a pretty low percentage, toss in some long term cases and probably still not at 1% of population has any serious issue w Covid. Sorry you’re not understanding but you’ll grow up
More COVID deaths in Florida alone than American soldiers died in the Vietnam War, you ghoul.
2600 bro wrote:
You really dont understand the method, conclusion, or implications! It's quite surprising.
The points were:
1: Africa has likely been hit just as hard with COVID as other places, the effects are just harder to see due to young population and terrible death reporting
2 (tangent to current convo): Vaccinating young people makes sense... you repeatedly ignore the fact young people cross paths with the vulnerable. Everything is so simple in your mind, isn't it?
1.) I see what you are trying to claim, but that argument is weak and not really true other than saying those places that did not do anything saw their elderly populations get hit just as hard as places that did. So my point that we should not have done anything still holds, and you are still wrong.
2.) No, it does not make sense. The vulnerable can get the vaccine and be protected, they do not need to young to get vaxed for extra protection. That will just provide more resistance to the virus which will then work its way around the vaccine and thus the older and vulnerable will start dying more and more. Vax only the vulnerable and those who think they are vulnerable is the smart and appropriate measure.
Yessiree Bob wrote:
Noyankee wrote:
Well, ~650,000 deaths and ~330,000,000 people have died of this. I’m not very good at math so you might want to ask the bro but that’s a pretty low percentage, toss in some long term cases and probably still not at 1% of population has any serious issue w Covid. Sorry you’re not understanding but you’ll grow up
More COVID deaths in Florida alone than American soldiers died in the Vietnam War, you ghoul.
Very old people dying of colds and other respiratory viruses is very common each year and unavoidable. War is the opposite. This is a poor comparison.
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
You really dont understand the method, conclusion, or implications! It's quite surprising.
The points were:
1: Africa has likely been hit just as hard with COVID as other places, the effects are just harder to see due to young population and terrible death reporting
2 (tangent to current convo): Vaccinating young people makes sense... you repeatedly ignore the fact young people cross paths with the vulnerable. Everything is so simple in your mind, isn't it?
1.) I see what you are trying to claim, but that argument is weak and not really true other than saying those places that did not do anything saw their elderly populations get hit just as hard as places that did. So my point that we should not have done anything still holds, and you are still wrong.
2.) No, it does not make sense. The vulnerable can get the vaccine and be protected, they do not need to young to get vaxed for extra protection. That will just provide more resistance to the virus which will then work its way around the vaccine and thus the older and vulnerable will start dying more and more. Vax only the vulnerable and those who think they are vulnerable is the smart and appropriate measure.
1) except for the places that had much much few deaths… we shouldn’t have done anything! Broken record. Yawn.
2) where is the risk that discourages vaccination? Protecting people doesn’t matter? Virtually zero cost? We can sit around and wait wait wait for these “risks” to show up… but you’re just killing people by waiting.
Noyankee wrote:
Anyway, Biden is going to mandate the vaccine for kids this fall and I cannot wait for you to lose your mind.
Biden mandating kids is like Hitler putting a badge on the Jews, except we American. We done listening. Liberals don’t own enough guns to pull that one off.
Going to hit the streets and start shooting people, that’s your plan, eh, you psycho?
2600 bro wrote:
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
1.) I see what you are trying to claim, but that argument is weak and not really true other than saying those places that did not do anything saw their elderly populations get hit just as hard as places that did. So my point that we should not have done anything still holds, and you are still wrong.
2.) No, it does not make sense. The vulnerable can get the vaccine and be protected, they do not need to young to get vaxed for extra protection. That will just provide more resistance to the virus which will then work its way around the vaccine and thus the older and vulnerable will start dying more and more. Vax only the vulnerable and those who think they are vulnerable is the smart and appropriate measure.
1) except for the places that had much much few deaths… we shouldn’t have done anything! Broken record. Yawn.
2) where is the risk that discourages vaccination? Protecting people doesn’t matter? Virtually zero cost? We can sit around and wait wait wait for these “risks” to show up… but you’re just killing people by waiting.
2 Risks work being conservative for:
1.) We don't have long term data on the safety of these vaccines and now all study controls have been vaccinated so we never will; the unvaccinated in the population are now the only controls left. There are serious concerns about these mRNA approaches instigating autoimmune disease in people that would not be subject to the severe infection that might also cause AI disease
2.) This virus is endemic, meaning we will non eradicate it. Vaccinating the young and everyone that is healthy will only force the virus around the vaccine....then the vaccine will no longer protect the elderly. The current approach of trying to achieve 100% vax rates is a massive and likely intentional mistake; it must be stopped before it is too late. It may already be too late.
Never said that No Bob. My instincts are that, yes, there will be bloodshed if you force a needle in our children’s arms. I could be wrong but I doubt Americans will put up w that psychosis, since used the term.
In light of 8 for 8 NOrleans Saints vaccinated testing positive id say you and Biden are the psychos for even considering it.
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
1) except for the places that had much much few deaths… we shouldn’t have done anything! Broken record. Yawn.
2) where is the risk that discourages vaccination? Protecting people doesn’t matter? Virtually zero cost? We can sit around and wait wait wait for these “risks” to show up… but you’re just killing people by waiting.
2 Risks work being conservative for:
1.) We don't have long term data on the safety of these vaccines and now all study controls have been vaccinated so we never will; the unvaccinated in the population are now the only controls left. There are serious concerns about these mRNA approaches instigating autoimmune disease in people that would not be subject to the severe infection that might also cause AI disease
2.) This virus is endemic, meaning we will non eradicate it. Vaccinating the young and everyone that is healthy will only force the virus around the vaccine....then the vaccine will no longer protect the elderly. The current approach of trying to achieve 100% vax rates is a massive and likely intentional mistake; it must be stopped before it is too late. It may already be too late.
1) Patiently waiting for these hand-wringing "serious concerns" to appear. Let's just wait forever? Let a few more hundred thousand die? Have schools and college overrun with infections? As long as it keeps the fearmongers content?
2) Yes just like all those other vaccines we take have led to immune escape? Mass vaccination has just a horrible track record ;)
2600 bro wrote:
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
2 Risks work being conservative for:
1.) We don't have long term data on the safety of these vaccines and now all study controls have been vaccinated so we never will; the unvaccinated in the population are now the only controls left. There are serious concerns about these mRNA approaches instigating autoimmune disease in people that would not be subject to the severe infection that might also cause AI disease
2.) This virus is endemic, meaning we will non eradicate it. Vaccinating the young and everyone that is healthy will only force the virus around the vaccine....then the vaccine will no longer protect the elderly. The current approach of trying to achieve 100% vax rates is a massive and likely intentional mistake; it must be stopped before it is too late. It may already be too late.
1) Patiently waiting for these hand-wringing "serious concerns" to appear. Let's just wait forever? Let a few more hundred thousand die? Have schools and college overrun with infections? As long as it keeps the fearmongers content?
2) Yes just like all those other vaccines we take have led to immune escape? Mass vaccination has just a horrible track record ;)
We do not vax 100% or even near it for any virus that is endemic. Flu is at 45%; mostly older people. That is fine and the flu still works around that vax each year. Obviously you are hoping everyone has to get these new vaccines every single year.
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
1) Patiently waiting for these hand-wringing "serious concerns" to appear. Let's just wait forever? Let a few more hundred thousand die? Have schools and college overrun with infections? As long as it keeps the fearmongers content?
2) Yes just like all those other vaccines we take have led to immune escape? Mass vaccination has just a horrible track record ;)
We do not vax 100% or even near it for any virus that is endemic. Flu is at 45%; mostly older people. That is fine and the flu still works around that vax each year. Obviously you are hoping everyone has to get these new vaccines every single year.
Nah, I doubt most people will need more than 2-3 doses to functionally eradicate the virus. It mutates way way slower than flu.
I am more worried about all those other viruses we've been mass vaccinated for! Varicella, HPV, Measles, Mumps, Polio... throw in rabies, yellow fever, and smallpox too! When are they going to escape the vaccines??? Serious concern?
“ I am more worried about all those other viruses we've been mass vaccinated for! Varicella, HPV, Measles, Mumps, Polio... throw in rabies, yellow fever, and smallpox too! When are they going to escape the vaccines??? Serious concern?”
Hate to burst your bubble bro cause I know you are super good at math but you missed one key point...those were actual vaccines. Not working so well for those New Orleans Saints folks now is it? Gonna be hard to eradicate when you go 0 for 8.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7833091/https://health-desk.org/articles/could-mrna-vaccines-create-a-different-protein-than-expected-that-could-result-in-autoimmune-disease-down-the-roadhttps://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4347/rr-6https://www.researchgate.net/post/COVID_19_mRNA_vaccines_and_autoimmune_phenomena_diseaseshttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7246018/Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
1) Patiently waiting for these hand-wringing "serious concerns" to appear. Let's just wait forever? Let a few more hundred thousand die? Have schools and college overrun with infections? As long as it keeps the fearmongers content?
2) Yes just like all those other vaccines we take have led to immune escape? Mass vaccination has just a horrible track record ;)
We do not vax 100% or even near it for any virus that is endemic. Flu is at 45%; mostly older people. That is fine and the flu still works around that vax each year. Obviously you are hoping everyone has to get these new vaccines every single year.
You can't negate the concerns with anything others than patience and advance long term study. Pzifer and Moderna are starting with ground zero having eliminated their control groups. What now? Vax everyone so there is nothing to compare to! Then they are immune from criticism.
Noyankee wrote:
Anyway, Biden is going to mandate the vaccine for kids this fall and I cannot wait for you to lose your mind.
Biden mandating kids is like Hitler putting a badge on the Jews, except we American. We done listening. Liberals don’t own enough guns to pull that one off.
They are nothing alike. You just showed how ignorant and soft you are in one post. To some how equate “forcing people to protect themselves and others” to labeling and dehumanizing a group of people based on their religious and ethicnic differences is incredibly daft. And not only that, if you actually think this is THAT bad, you are one soft MFer.
Noyankee wrote:
“ I am more worried about all those other viruses we've been mass vaccinated for! Varicella, HPV, Measles, Mumps, Polio... throw in rabies, yellow fever, and smallpox too! When are they going to escape the vaccines??? Serious concern?”
Hate to burst your bubble bro cause I know you are super good at math but you missed one key point...those were actual vaccines. Not working so well for those New Orleans Saints folks now is it? Gonna be hard to eradicate when you go 0 for 8.
This is generally correct. The mean taxes are not robust enough to eradicate the virus, and it is already endemic. If everyone was dropping dead from the virus or healthy people and kids were being seriously harmed then it would make sense to vax everyone...but this is not the case, so the potential risks favor patience and caution, not give to everyone and the just hope we did not hastily kill the human species.
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
BS, plenty of places did just that and were fine. Dude, this is the worst argument of all time. All while you simultaneously claim we can do the unthinkable and produce an effective vaccine for corona viruses when it has long been known to be nearly impossible; particularly in the long run.
Do you really think holing up old people in rooms and shoving masks on their faces and telling them they can't go outside kept them alive longer? Simple changes of behavior, being extra cautious when you are sick to steer clear of the elderly. Encourage healthy behavior among everyone else, encourage people to be more aware of their symptoms and go home when sick. More food delivery for the elderly, more caution of the health status of vistors, etc etc etc, and a rapid run through of the virus among everyone else would have drastically reduced elderly exposure. Yet, here we are and you are still trying to do the very things that killed all of these people. The fact that we focused on everyone else rather than the old people is the reason they are dead; that is your fault....all of your "excess deaths" on your hands.
Well, many things in science have been thought to be impossible. Is 90+% effective against severe disease a failure? I guess we did the unthinkable.... why aren't you celebrating?
Second, we literally did all those things in the USA that you named and MORE. And the elderly still died by the 100ks and 100ks of younger Americans died too. You argument seems to be that if we had done less to protect the vulnerable then 650k people wouldn't have died? Gonna need to see some evidence for that buddy.
And yes, making elderly people stay at home and not be in big crowds of infected people kept them alive longer. Excess deaths were minimal in places until they had a COVID outbreak.. then it was bad.
Meanwhile, over the last seven days people in Texas have been dying from Covid-19 at FIVE TIMES the rate that people in New York are. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/?fbclid=IwAR2T-jFxwnzu0D3pQlAcfthoM6OvltY-2vTJEfIyN1RI6VZIb9br9shA1So#cases_deathsper100klast7days
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