"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Ok, so you decide to use the sole country that went along with the Western World and had huge case counts and death counts to make your point. Or are you saying I am right? Yes, South Africa messed up by following the US and European strategies. The rest of the continent was spared. You must have not followed the 2014 ebola outbreak either, where the entire world knew about every new case the day it occurred in all of these poor nations that somehow, according to you, have given up on reporting all of their covid deaths. Stop digging yourself into a hole dude, you could just admit you are wrong.

They are one of the few countries with accurate death cataloging systems in Africa. See here:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55674139

Egypt has seen lots of excess death as well and they have good reporting too.

People were saying this exact thing about India and it turns out when people ran the numbers they had like 2-3 million excess deaths.

It is well known that in many places only 10-25% of deaths are registered by the state. The places in Africa that do have good recording show lots of excess deaths, that's pretty good evidence.

2600 bro wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Ok, so you decide to use the sole country that went along with the Western World and had huge case counts and death counts to make your point. Or are you saying I am right? Yes, South Africa messed up by following the US and European strategies. The rest of the continent was spared. You must have not followed the 2014 ebola outbreak either, where the entire world knew about every new case the day it occurred in all of these poor nations that somehow, according to you, have given up on reporting all of their covid deaths. Stop digging yourself into a hole dude, you could just admit you are wrong.

Your myopia and commitment to denying the obvious in favor of the inane is commendable.

The economist has some good projections for African deaths. As a whole Africa is VERY young compared to NA/EU/Asia. This makes the hit from COVID lighter.

However if you look at excess deaths per population over 65. You seen COVID really hasn’t spared anywhere! The US comes out looking pretty good there since we have such great healthcare here.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates

I’m quoting the rationale for this adjustment since many of you seem to struggle to understand confounding variables.

Although excess-deaths statistics are the most comprehensive measure of the human cost of covid-19, they are only loosely tied to the number of people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2. Because the virus is so much deadlier for older people than it is among the young, death tolls are heavily influenced by the age structure of a country’s population. Holding other factors constant, it takes a smaller number of infections to produce a given number of excess deaths in places where lots of people are aged over 65 than in those where relatively few people are vulnerable. As a result, excess-death data can only be used as a good indicator of the spread of covid-19 if you also account for demography.

It’s a very rough measure but shows that COVID has torn through many countries that 1) fail to report deaths accurately 2) have young populations and thus fewer excess deaths.

You should be thankful I put such effort into educating all of you.

2600 bro wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Ok, so you decide to use the sole country that went along with the Western World and had huge case counts and death counts to make your point. Or are you saying I am right? Yes, South Africa messed up by following the US and European strategies. The rest of the continent was spared. You must have not followed the 2014 ebola outbreak either, where the entire world knew about every new case the day it occurred in all of these poor nations that somehow, according to you, have given up on reporting all of their covid deaths. Stop digging yourself into a hole dude, you could just admit you are wrong.

Your myopia and commitment to denying the obvious in favor of the inane is commendable.

The economist has some good projections for African deaths. As a whole Africa is VERY young compared to NA/EU/Asia. This makes the hit from COVID lighter.

However if you look at excess deaths per population over 65. You seen COVID really hasn’t spared anywhere! The US comes out looking pretty good there since we have such great healthcare here.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates

I’m quoting the rationale for this adjustment since many of you seem to struggle to understand confounding variables.

Although excess-deaths statistics are the most comprehensive measure of the human cost of covid-19, they are only loosely tied to the number of people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2. Because the virus is so much deadlier for older people than it is among the young, death tolls are heavily influenced by the age structure of a country’s population. Holding other factors constant, it takes a smaller number of infections to produce a given number of excess deaths in places where lots of people are aged over 65 than in those where relatively few people are vulnerable. As a result, excess-death data can only be used as a good indicator of the spread of covid-19 if you also account for demography.

It’s a very rough measure but shows that COVID has torn through many countries that 1) fail to report deaths accurately 2) have young populations and thus fewer excess deaths.

You should be thankful I put such effort into educating all of you.

2600 bro wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Your myopia and commitment to denying the obvious in favor of the inane is commendable.

The economist has some good projections for African deaths. As a whole Africa is VERY young compared to NA/EU/Asia. This makes the hit from COVID lighter.

However if you look at excess deaths per population over 65. You seen COVID really hasn’t spared anywhere! The US comes out looking pretty good there since we have such great healthcare here.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates

I’m quoting the rationale for this adjustment since many of you seem to struggle to understand confounding variables.

Although excess-deaths statistics are the most comprehensive measure of the human cost of covid-19, they are only loosely tied to the number of people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2. Because the virus is so much deadlier for older people than it is among the young, death tolls are heavily influenced by the age structure of a country’s population. Holding other factors constant, it takes a smaller number of infections to produce a given number of excess deaths in places where lots of people are aged over 65 than in those where relatively few people are vulnerable. As a result, excess-death data can only be used as a good indicator of the spread of covid-19 if you also account for demography.

It’s a very rough measure but shows that COVID has torn through many countries that 1) fail to report deaths accurately 2) have young populations and thus fewer excess deaths.

You should be thankful I put such effort into educating all of you.

Thoughts? Excuses? Ignoring?

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Your myopia and commitment to denying the obvious in favor of the inane is commendable.

The economist has some good projections for African deaths. As a whole Africa is VERY young compared to NA/EU/Asia. This makes the hit from COVID lighter.

However if you look at excess deaths per population over 65. You seen COVID really hasn’t spared anywhere! The US comes out looking pretty good there since we have such great healthcare here.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates

I’m quoting the rationale for this adjustment since many of you seem to struggle to understand confounding variables.

Although excess-deaths statistics are the most comprehensive measure of the human cost of covid-19, they are only loosely tied to the number of people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2. Because the virus is so much deadlier for older people than it is among the young, death tolls are heavily influenced by the age structure of a country’s population. Holding other factors constant, it takes a smaller number of infections to produce a given number of excess deaths in places where lots of people are aged over 65 than in those where relatively few people are vulnerable. As a result, excess-death data can only be used as a good indicator of the spread of covid-19 if you also account for demography.

It’s a very rough measure but shows that COVID has torn through many countries that 1) fail to report deaths accurately 2) have young populations and thus fewer excess deaths.

You should be thankful I put such effort into educating all of you.

So, are you trying to say that young people really should not have worried about covid at all? I agree with you , but this kind of surprises me that you would be claiming such a thing.

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Wow, you really really need conclusion to this don't you? I think you have a mental problem, that is my conclusion. Can we do excess deaths of people over 65 and the "true death toll" in these groups for the top corona virus of 2015 now? Please please, do 2015! You have basically stated that now that the susceptible have been hit hard, covid is not anything to worry about anymore and that all of this now is just hype to sell more vaccines. I get it, yes, that is correct.

Lol let's not forget this argument started because you claimed that the vaccines are driving the increase in case numbers in highly vaccinated countries.

This is obviously false and there is no convincing evidence for it.

Excess death estimates show that the entire world has been hit hard by COVID. That is not surprising. Some countries with older populations will suffer more, nothing says that young people don't have to 'worry about COVID.' No, they should have the vaccine offered to them as soon as we can!

Anyway, Biden is going to mandate the vaccine for kids this fall and I cannot wait for you to lose your mind.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

So you have to fudge the numbers. We could have just focused protection on the old people and our vaccintion effort is only needed for the elderly. Once protected, that is the best option. Vaxxing everyone else is not only unnecessary but it increases the potential for vaccine resistance strains to emerge and then kill the once protected old people. You are not making much sense, but go along. I know you need to feel right, so at some point I will just stop replying to give you the sense of victory your OCD needs. Deep down though you will know you are still wrong and just twisitng reality in your head. Currently, there is no need to do anything other than vax the elderly. In March 2020 there was no need to do anything other than do our best to specifically protect and keep active and healthy the elderly population while the rest of the population let the virus spread and dissipate quick. It must be hard realizing you have been promoting strategies that have lead to so so many excess deaths that could have been prevented if we had just stuck to normal business as usual practices> Just admit it, you have been wrong about everything. It will feel good to let go and join the realms of normal people. Trust me, it will be ok to leave the fear mongering behind and let people live again.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

So you have to fudge the numbers. We could have just focused protection on the old people and our vaccintion effort is only needed for the elderly. Once protected, that is the best option. Vaxxing everyone else is not only unnecessary but it increases the potential for vaccine resistance strains to emerge and then kill the once protected old people. You are not making much sense, but go along. I know you need to feel right, so at some point I will just stop replying to give you the sense of victory your OCD needs. Deep down though you will know you are still wrong and just twisitng reality in your head. Currently, there is no need to do anything other than vax the elderly. In March 2020 there was no need to do anything other than do our best to specifically protect and keep active and healthy the elderly population while the rest of the population let the virus spread and dissipate quick. It must be hard realizing you have been promoting strategies that have lead to so so many excess deaths that could have been prevented if we had just stuck to normal business as usual practices> Just admit it, you have been wrong about everything. It will feel good to let go and join the realms of normal people. Trust me, it will be ok to leave the fear mongering behind and let people live again.

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

So you have to fudge the numbers. We could have just focused protection on the old people and our vaccintion effort is only needed for the elderly. Once protected, that is the best option. Vaxxing everyone else is not only unnecessary but it increases the potential for vaccine resistance strains to emerge and then kill the once protected old people. You are not making much sense, but go along. I know you need to feel right, so at some point I will just stop replying to give you the sense of victory your OCD needs. Deep down though you will know you are still wrong and just twisitng reality in your head. Currently, there is no need to do anything other than vax the elderly. In March 2020 there was no need to do anything other than do our best to specifically protect and keep active and healthy the elderly population while the rest of the population let the virus spread and dissipate quick. It must be hard realizing you have been promoting strategies that have lead to so so many excess deaths that could have been prevented if we had just stuck to normal business as usual practices> Just admit it, you have been wrong about everything. It will feel good to let go and join the realms of normal people. Trust me, it will be ok to leave the fear mongering behind and let people live again.

There's no way to reasonably protect the elderly and allow everyone else to 'live their life' or whatever. Plenty of places without hard-lockdowns tried this and when you have tons of cases in young people they inevitably spill over into older populations. People need to interact with other humans for daily tasks still - the robo-future is not here.

Regardless, TONS of working age people have died as well. It's not just the elderly. See this graph from the WSJ:

https://images.app.goo.gl/nqSign6EBrGWGT3n9

If you say, 'well isolate vulnerable people who are younger' then OK, you're isolating like half the USA. You're basically at the level of 'lockdown' that we were at to begin with. So yeah, this theory cannot be applied practically.

Mass vaccination diminishes spread, limits viral mutatations, protects everyone because vaccines aren't perfect and there's no evidence of driving selection toward escape variants. Remember, Delta emerged -before- vaccination and is still the dominant strain.

Covid still hurts young people. Even if they don't die. The vaccine stops almost all of that. And it's very safe. The math is very easy.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Harambe wrote:

There's no way to reasonably protect the elderly and allow everyone else to 'live their life' or whatever. Plenty of places without hard-lockdowns tried this and when you have tons of cases in young people they inevitably spill over into older populations. People need to interact with other humans for daily tasks still - the robo-future is not here.

Regardless, TONS of working age people have died as well. It's not just the elderly. See this graph from the WSJ:

https://images.app.goo.gl/nqSign6EBrGWGT3n9

If you say, 'well isolate vulnerable people who are younger' then OK, you're isolating like half the USA. You're basically at the level of 'lockdown' that we were at to begin with. So yeah, this theory cannot be applied practically.

Mass vaccination diminishes spread, limits viral mutatations, protects everyone because vaccines aren't perfect and there's no evidence of driving selection toward escape variants. Remember, Delta emerged -before- vaccination and is still the dominant strain.

Covid still hurts young people. Even if they don't die. The vaccine stops almost all of that. And it's very safe. The math is very easy.

BS, plenty of places did just that and were fine. Dude, this is the worst argument of all time. All while you simultaneously claim we can do the unthinkable and produce an effective vaccine for corona viruses when it has long been known to be nearly impossible; particularly in the long run.

Do you really think holing up old people in rooms and shoving masks on their faces and telling them they can't go outside kept them alive longer? Simple changes of behavior, being extra cautious when you are sick to steer clear of the elderly. Encourage healthy behavior among everyone else, encourage people to be more aware of their symptoms and go home when sick. More food delivery for the elderly, more caution of the health status of vistors, etc etc etc, and a rapid run through of the virus among everyone else would have drastically reduced elderly exposure. Yet, here we are and you are still trying to do the very things that killed all of these people. The fact that we focused on everyone else rather than the old people is the reason they are dead; that is your fault....all of your "excess deaths" on your hands.