"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Noyankee wrote:

I love to address the data. Gives me goosebumps but I’m a big picture guy, sticking with historical statistical analysis. The big one I’m looking at now is that the countries with the most vaccinations also have the highest percent of positive cases. That’s a 1 for 1 bro.

Surely if you're a data guy you might understand how being a highly vaccinated country might introduce some confounding effects. Say... less COVID restrictions, more social interaction, schools being more open, less caution at the individual level.

Also the delta variant has become dominant in the West over the last ~3 months which accounts for a large part of the case spike. You understand how having 2.5-3x the R0 of other strains rapidly compounds -- exponential growth is powerful.

We’ve literally posted in this thread info from the actual Israeli Health officials stating 65% of the severe cases are from unvaxxed folks who constitute just 17% of the population. Get you me quack doctor/fearmongering misinformation out of here.

2600 bro wrote:

Noyankee wrote:

Jokes on you bro but you will need to address that with the lying fake Dr Fauci, who has you spun out. You should never worship nor listen to a stone cold liar, especially when your health is on the line. Far as my health, I run, so not too concerned. My kids are off limits to all of you possessed by this vaccine though. That case is closed.

So refuse to address any data, change the subject, and spam post conspiracies?

This case is closed for sure :)

You have not presented any data; you just spun a bunch of half made up numbers.

Dude, what are you guys going to do when your employer's profits tank after the far far better, safer, and more effective Novovax vaccine comes out or other less sketchy less invasive vaccines are allowed onto the market. Admit it, your time line is shortening and you guys are on full court press to make as much money as possible off of this before the bottom falls completely out from under you. Tick tock, tick tock, goes the clock. People aren't buying the half baked garbage anymore; it is now only you other handles.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

We’ve literally posted in this thread info from the actual Israeli Health officials stating 65% of the severe cases are from unvaxxed folks who constitute just 17% of the population. Get you me quack doctor/fearmongering misinformation out of here.

And I literally posted a much more up to date comment from an Israeli Doctor.

Harambe wrote:

Noyankee wrote:

I love to address the data. Gives me goosebumps but I’m a big picture guy, sticking with historical statistical analysis. The big one I’m looking at now is that the countries with the most vaccinations also have the highest percent of positive cases. That’s a 1 for 1 bro.

Surely if you're a data guy you might understand how being a highly vaccinated country might introduce some confounding effects. Say... less COVID restrictions, more social interaction, schools being more open, less caution at the individual level.

Also the delta variant has become dominant in the West over the last ~3 months which accounts for a large part of the case spike. You understand how having 2.5-3x the R0 of other strains rapidly compounds -- exponential growth is powerful.

So you are saying that if we had just done nothing like those African nations then we would have been in a much better situation then and now? Wow, I never thought you were going to admit that, but there it finally is., You have come back to reality. Yes, we would have been far better off treating this virus like we do every other severe cold. The data now bears this out and you just can't seem to accept it.

The protected need tom be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the same protection that does not protect the protected.

The Vaccine story in a nutshell

Israel is planning to administer FOURTH Covid shot which could be adjusted to fight new variants as country battles wave of infections despite hugely successful vaccine roll-out.

It comes as the country deals with soaring cases despite blazing a trail on jabs.

The country's national coronavirus czar says people should expect to receive a new vaccination against the virus more frequently - 'every five to six months.

Hey, if the 1st 3 shots did not work, what better course of action than more shots?

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2600 bro wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

If they test postive for covid it is a covid death not an enhanced disease death. How many peoplehave died because they had covid and then took the shot? Those are labeled unvaccinated covid deaths and not vaccine related deaths.

Yikes. IDK what to say.

Are we back to the "with COVID" argument?

Old dog? no new tricks?

Stop describing yourself dude. What is your endgame? Why do you need the entire nation vaccinated with this specific mRNA style vaccine?

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

So you are saying that if we had just done nothing like those African nations then we would have been in a much better situation then and now? Wow, I never thought you were going to admit that, but there it finally is., You have come back to reality. Yes, we would have been far better off treating this virus like we do every other severe cold. The data now bears this out and you just can't seem to accept it.

Google "excess deaths Africa COVID" and come back to me. Many African countries have poor death-recording systems. South Africa has recorded 220,000 excess deaths which is in line with Western countries' COVID impacts.

Also I think you completely missed my argument which is that case levels are high because 1) delta and 2) high vaccination has allowed many places to open up completely and social contact is higher than ever.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

We’ve literally posted in this thread info from the actual Israeli Health officials stating 65% of the severe cases are from unvaxxed folks who constitute just 17% of the population. Get you me quack doctor/fearmongering misinformation out of here.

Who is we? Are you now on the payroll like Bro and Harambe? Who is this organization "WE" belong too? Can I get a good paying job? I'll start lying as well if you pay me enough.

The numbers are overwhelming. Heavily and densely populated Africa (nearly 1.4 billion people) with an area @ 3 times that of the USA (population of maybe 330 million), which is far behind the USA in vaxing, social distancing, masking, etc. is faring far better with Covid than America, whether number of cases, number hospitalized, number of deaths. The jury is in.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

We’ve literally posted in this thread info from the actual Israeli Health officials stating 65% of the severe cases are from unvaxxed folks who constitute just 17% of the population. Get you me quack doctor/fearmongering misinformation out of here.

Who is we? Are you now on the payroll like Bro and Harambe? Who is this organization "WE" belong too? Can I get a good paying job? I'll start lying as well if you pay me enough.

Are you contending the stats THOUGHTSLEADER posted are false?

I thought you acknowledged that the vaccines worked? Changed your mind?

Harambe wrote:

[quote]Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

So you are saying that if we had just done nothing like those African nations then we would have been in a much better situation then and now? Wow, I never thought you were going to admit that, but there it finally is., You have come back to reality. Yes, we would have been far better off treating this virus like we do every other severe cold. The data now bears this out and you just can't seem to accept it.

Google "excess deaths Africa COVID" and come back to me. Many African countries have poor death-recording systems. South Africa has recorded 220,000 excess deaths which is in line with Western countries' COVID impacts.

I knew this racist would come back with some BS about how backwards Africa is at counting deaths.

What a loser

Harambe wrote:

[quote]Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

So you are saying that if we had just done nothing like those African nations then we would have been in a much better situation then and now? Wow, I never thought you were going to admit that, but there it finally is., You have come back to reality. Yes, we would have been far better off treating this virus like we do every other severe cold. The data now bears this out and you just can't seem to accept it.

Google "excess deaths Africa COVID" and come back to me. Many African countries have poor death-recording systems. South Africa has recorded 220,000 excess deaths which is in line with Western countries' COVID impacts.

Classic Harambe cherry picking.

Cites South Africa, the one and only nation in Africa doing poorly with Covid.

What a liar.

Ok, so you decide to use the sole country that went along with the Western World and had huge case counts and death counts to make your point. Or are you saying I am right? Yes, South Africa messed up by following the US and European strategies. The rest of the continent was spared. You must have not followed the 2014 ebola outbreak either, where the entire world knew about every new case the day it occurred in all of these poor nations that somehow, according to you, have given up on reporting all of their covid deaths. Stop digging yourself into a hole dude, you could just admit you are wrong.

The Unkle wrote:

Harambe wrote:

[quote]Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

So you are saying that if we had just done nothing like those African nations then we would have been in a much better situation then and now? Wow, I never thought you were going to admit that, but there it finally is., You have come back to reality. Yes, we would have been far better off treating this virus like we do every other severe cold. The data now bears this out and you just can't seem to accept it.

Google "excess deaths Africa COVID" and come back to me. Many African countries have poor death-recording systems. South Africa has recorded 220,000 excess deaths which is in line with Western countries' COVID impacts.

I knew this racist would come back with some BS about how backwards Africa is at counting deaths.

What a loser

They are actually very good at handling outbreaks of disease in Africa. Harambe is as usual FOS.

Which is BS as much of Africa never shut down. Open the whole time. Far less Covid

The Unkle wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Google "excess deaths Africa COVID" and come back to me. Many African countries have poor death-recording systems. South Africa has recorded 220,000 excess deaths which is in line with Western countries' COVID impacts.

Also I think you completely missed my argument which is that case levels are high because 1) delta and 2) high vaccination has allowed many places to open up completely and social contact is higher than ever.

Which is BS as much of Africa never shut down. Open the whole time. Far less Covid

Correct.

Your myopia and commitment to denying the obvious in favor of the inane is commendable.

The economist has some good projections for African deaths. As a whole Africa is VERY young compared to NA/EU/Asia. This makes the hit from COVID lighter.

However if you look at excess deaths per population over 65. You seen COVID really hasn’t spared anywhere! The US comes out looking pretty good there since we have such great healthcare here.

I’m quoting the rationale for this adjustment since many of you seem to struggle to understand confounding variables.

Although excess-deaths statistics are the most comprehensive measure of the human cost of covid-19, they are only loosely tied to the number of people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2. Because the virus is so much deadlier for older people than it is among the young, death tolls are heavily influenced by the age structure of a country’s population. Holding other factors constant, it takes a smaller number of infections to produce a given number of excess deaths in places where lots of people are aged over 65 than in those where relatively few people are vulnerable. As a result, excess-death data can only be used as a good indicator of the spread of covid-19 if you also account for demography.

It’s a very rough measure but shows that COVID has torn through many countries that 1) fail to report deaths accurately 2) have young populations and thus fewer excess deaths.

You should be thankful I put such effort into educating all of you.