Serious thread about election fraud

Heh, we agree to disagree on what's "reasonable" here :)

DiscoGary wrote:

There has been no government run investigation into fraud claims despite the fact that there is way more evidence than they had to begin the Mueller investigation.

See this is where your Soviet-style whataboutism falls apart. There's no evidence of election fraud that has withstood more than a day of public scrutiny. You WANT this to be the case, but it's not.

I'm sorry man...

ohhh Yeahhh wrote:

Why do you think they can't get the Republican GA Gov to do a simple audit of the voting machines? Or a simple of audit of anything. He's a republican, so the least he could do is play along if he believes there wasn't any fraud. But I am sure you can explain why he would not allow any audit since his party lost the election being a non corrupt GOP politician that he is... I'll wait.

Because the Gov hasn't seen evidence worthy of a long and expensive audit. I respect a gov. who doesn't let butthurt feds try to tell his state they can't run an election.

There's no right to tear apart everything at the seams just because your guy lost without substantial evidence. Which there isn't. At all.

Sometimes you own the libs, sometimes the libs own you. The cycle continues!

johnny99 wrote:

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You keep mentioning all this evidence of fraud, but you never actually show any of it.

To paraphrase the Trump-appointed judge in PA who dismissed one of his cases, "just saying that there's fraud does not make it so".

I thought I covered that already. There's no point in discussing evidence if everyone you're talking to has delegated their opinions to someone else who already decided the evidence doesn't matter, or doesn't exist.

I'm glad to hear a Democrat admitting that saying someone committed a crime doesn't make it so. Do you apply the same standard to accusations made against Trump? To accusations of racism made against Trump and his followers? To damn near any slur uttered by Dems against Reps? The world would be a better place if Democrats exercised that skepticism across the board.

Once we can agree on how to approach the topic, then we can proceed. It sounds like you might be ready, but I want to wait until a few more get on board. Otherwise it just turns into a Trump thread sh!t show... and I don't know what anyone is getting out of that.

This is a thread about election fraud. Try to stay on topic (even when you're getting owned).

Still waiting for all that evidence that you say you've got ...

Johnny Johnny, please tell me you are not that naive!

That was not an audit. That was a recount of the same corrupt and fraudulent ballots.

Did you even read the article.

"The recount in Georgia will tell us nothing, because these fraudulent ballots will just be counted again because they wouldn't supply the signatures to match the ballots. So it means nothing to count these ballots," said Giuliani, who once served as the mayor of New York.

Johnny, please answer this. Why won't they let them do an actual 3rd party audit of the voting machines and/or the signature verifications? It's a Rep. Governor, please tell me why not? It is makes everyone happy and there is no fraud, why not? I hope you answer....but you probably won't.

johnny99 wrote:

Still waiting for all that evidence that you say you've got ...

I'd get a newspaper or book. It's gonna be a while

ohhh Yeahhh wrote:

Johnny Johnny, please tell me you are not that naive!

That was not an audit. That was a recount of the same corrupt and fraudulent ballots.

Did you even read the article.

"The recount in Georgia will tell us nothing, because these fraudulent ballots will just be counted again because they wouldn't supply the signatures to match the ballots. So it means nothing to count these ballots," said Giuliani, who once served as the mayor of New York.

Johnny, please answer this. Why won't they let them do an actual 3rd party audit of the voting machines and/or the signature verifications? It's a Rep. Governor, please tell me why not? It is makes everyone happy and there is no fraud, why not? I hope you answer....but you probably won't.

Still waiting on evidence to justify the audit. They've had a recount! You don't get to demand an audit b/c you're butthurt your dude lost :)

Harambe wrote:

Still waiting on evidence to justify the audit. They've had a recount! You don't get to demand an audit b/c you're butthurt your dude lost :)

Amazing how again you don't answer me why a Rep GA Governor wouldn't help his own party's president and do an audit?

Please explain to me that and I can give you plenty of reasons of why there should be an audit. All of which were in the lawsuits given by Trumps legal team, which I am sure you read.

But you WON'T ANSWER the simple question I am sure.

is your position that since Dems made Trumps life miserable, you will try to make their life miserable with claims of election fraud, even though virtually no factual evidence of it exists or has been recognized judicially?

ohhh Yeahhh wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Still waiting on evidence to justify the audit. They've had a recount! You don't get to demand an audit b/c you're butthurt your dude lost :)

Amazing how again you don't answer me why a Rep GA Governor wouldn't help his own party's president and do an audit?

Please explain to me that and I can give you plenty of reasons of why there should be an audit. All of which were in the lawsuits given by Trumps legal team, which I am sure you read.

But you WON'T ANSWER the simple question I am sure.

Because he doesn't think there's evidence that justifies it. The same result as trying to go thru the courts.

Simply: you have to provide sufficient evidence. The legal team did not do that.

In this thread STILL: no evidence, but a lot of hot air from the losing team :)

Of course the right way to approach the topic would be to ask yourself, "how would I see this evidence if I were Republican?" or "What if a Democrat made these accusations of fraud?"

That's all I'm asking for, which is a LOT, I know.

Harambe wrote:

Because the Gov hasn't seen evidence worthy of a long and expensive audit. I respect a gov. who doesn't let butthurt feds try to tell his state they can't run an election.

There's no right to tear apart everything at the seams just because your guy lost without substantial evidence. Which there isn't. At all.

Sometimes you own the libs, sometimes the libs own you. The cycle continues!

Gosh, please tell me you are not this uniformed. But you probably are.

TRUMP has said MANY times they will pay for the audit! I am sure you know that already.

So you are wrong. Money is NOT the reason. Please let me know the next reason why they wouldn't do it even though Trump has said many times he would pay for it?

Why won't they let Trump pay for an audit of the machines and the signature ballots? Money is not the answer.

ohhh Yeahhh wrote:

Johnny Johnny, please tell me you are not that naive!

That was not an audit. That was a recount of the same corrupt and fraudulent ballots.

Did you even read the article.

"The recount in Georgia will tell us nothing, because these fraudulent ballots will just be counted again because they wouldn't supply the signatures to match the ballots. So it means nothing to count these ballots," said Giuliani, who once served as the mayor of New York.

Johnny, please answer this. Why won't they let them do an actual 3rd party audit of the voting machines and/or the signature verifications? It's a Rep. Governor, please tell me why not? It is makes everyone happy and there is no fraud, why not? I hope you answer....but you probably won't.

If Rudy G. is all you've got, you're done already.

“I know crimes. I can smell them,” Giuliani said as streaks of sweat and what appeared to be hair dye ran down the sides of his face. “You don’t have to smell this one. I can prove it to you 18 different ways.”

DiscoGary wrote:

Of course the right way to approach the topic would be to ask yourself, "how would I see this evidence if I were Republican?" or "What if a Democrat made these accusations of fraud?"

That's all I'm asking for, which is a LOT, I know.

As far as I'm aware, no Democrat has filed 50+ lawsuits in various swing states trying to change the results of an election they lost. Perhaps it has been done many elections ago.

I just think if it is so obvious the election was stolen there would be evidence that would, at the very least, convince the GOP official and appointees to get on board.

I guess Trump didn't drain the swamp enough or something. Or he appointed too many deep staters. This is hard to unravel!

ohhh Yeahhh wrote:

Gosh, please tell me you are not this uniformed. But you probably are.

TRUMP has said MANY times they will pay for the audit! I am sure you know that already.

So you are wrong. Money is NOT the reason. Please let me know the next reason why they wouldn't do it even though Trump has said many times he would pay for it?

Why won't they let Trump pay for an audit of the machines and the signature ballots? Money is not the answer.

Because the feds don't get to randomly rip apart the election process without evidence? Sorry dude this is how America works.

Again, no evidence. We are still waiting as you continue to post complex hypotheticals.

What if aliens flipped bits on the Dominion machines in Venezuela which secretly made the 5G microchips from the vaccine trials turn on and order people to vote for Trump??

Harambe wrote:

ohhh Yeahhh wrote:

Amazing how again you don't answer me why a Rep GA Governor wouldn't help his own party's president and do an audit?

Please explain to me that and I can give you plenty of reasons of why there should be an audit. All of which were in the lawsuits given by Trumps legal team, which I am sure you read.

But you WON'T ANSWER the simple question I am sure.

Because he doesn't think there's evidence that justifies it. The same result as trying to go thru the courts.

Simply: you have to provide sufficient evidence. The legal team did not do that.

In this thread STILL: no evidence, but a lot of hot air from the losing team :)

You honestly believe that a Rep Gov won't do a cursory audit for the president of the United States cause he "feels" he shouldn't?

They are from the same party. At the very least, COMMON SENSE, he would be to let them do it and let if fail. BUT he won't.

That's like not letting your GF check your phone to see if your cheating. Sure, you may not be, but you better let her check or it's fishhhhhy.

Damn, you are beyond naive.

ohhh Yeahhh wrote:

You honestly believe that a Rep Gov won't do a cursory audit for the president of the United States cause he "feels" he shouldn't?

They are from the same party. At the very least, COMMON SENSE, he would be to let them do it and let if fail. BUT he won't.

That's like not letting your GF check your phone to see if your cheating. Sure, you may not be, but you better let her check or it's fishhhhhy.

Damn, you are beyond naive.

Just like I wouldn't let a cop search my car or my house just because they asked. That's like rule #1!

If you have a problem with federalism I suggest you dig up Alexander Hamilton and talk to him or something.

Again, I think it is GOOD that random states don't give in to the whims of butthurt feds. That is balance of power working. Go to court if you disagree.