Keep in mind that this is the 3200 not the 2 mile. Add on at least 2 seconds for the conversion.
Keep in mind that this is the 3200 not the 2 mile. Add on at least 2 seconds for the conversion.
Treasure in Clay wrote:
Keep in mind that this is the 3200 not the 2 mile. Add on at least 2 seconds for the conversion.
Are you sure? Why hasn't anyone else mentioned this yet?
depth in high wrote:
Iknowthisisannoyingbut wrote:115 went under 9:30! Dang!
That is an incredible stat.
I wonder how many of those kids will be running 2 years out of high school.
I would guess less than 40.
Lots of talent does not get fully brought to its potential.
I do not think there is much more talent at the HS level than there was 10 years ago. If there is more talent it would be because more HS athletes are running track than before.
Better HS training and coaching has led to better HS performances. But as you touched on, a lot of these guys won't do a whole lot in college, but not because talent is not "brought to its full potential."
Better training means more young athletes are closer to the threshold of their natural ability. Some of these guys will continue to improve (the ones with a lot of talent). And some underdeveloped 9:30 HS guys will go on to 7:50 3ks in college, while a lot of these 8:55 HS 3200m runners will top out at 8:20 for 3000m. I think 8:20 for 3k is really good, but it is a long way from the most talented athletes.
College distance running has leveled out after big gains from 2000 to 2012 (and I think it has leveled out at an extremely high level), but HS distance running continues to make big gains every year.
>>Keep in mind that this is the 3200 not the 2 mile. Add on at least 2 seconds for the conversion.
Are there some states that still run 2 miles at each meet?
fdsfsdfsdfaf wrote:
He would've run 8:44. You really think racing a 1600 24 hrs earlier affected the outcome? I believe his coaching/training is better than that.
Rorg Aut Nuthelwimp wrote:
Of course it affected the outcome, you lunatic! Do you even DO running?
Obviously the mile warmed him up.
Otherwise he would have been lucky to break 8:50 / 8:54 for 2 miles.
I . agree wrote:
fdsfsdfsdfaf wrote:He would've run 8:44. You really think racing a 1600 24 hrs earlier affected the outcome? I believe his coaching/training is better than that.
Rorg Aut Nuthelwimp wrote:
Of course it affected the outcome, you lunatic! Do you even DO running?
Obviously the mile warmed him up.
Otherwise he would have been lucky to break 8:50 / 8:54 for 2 miles.
If you read Gonzalez's article/quote you'd understand why he is racing it as 3200m, basically, "I asked the kids. They want 3200m. That's why most States run. No one wants 2 miles, they want school records, state records. They want the most run distance of all-time."
He didn't ask me.
Treasure in Clay wrote:
Keep in mind that this is the 3200 not the 2 mile. Add on at least 2 seconds for the conversion.
Nobody under 40 years old converts 3200m to 2 miles. Now if someone did run a 2mile the first thing to do is convert it to 3200m.
It is 2017. Get with it.
High Schools​ started running 3200 over 35 years ago so even people in their early 50s ran 3200.
Lukas Verzbicas ran 8:29 for the 2-mile. This is the record to chase, and it is head and shoulders better than the 3200m record.
By keeping it a 3200m, Gonzalez is denying anybody the chance to break this record. He could set up an official 3200m timer as part of the 2-mile race for the kids who want to break school/state records.
gimick wrote:
Lukas Verzbicas ran 8:29 for the 2-mile. This is the record to chase, and it is head and shoulders better than the 3200m record.
By keeping it a 3200m, Gonzalez is denying anybody the chance to break this record. He could set up an official 3200m timer as part of the 2-mile race for the kids who want to break school/state records.
Indeed it is, though LV was basically a pro triathlete when he set it and had his own pacer. Still flying though and it converts to about 8:25-8:26 for 3200.
Yes, 3200 seems to be the standard distance now, but whoever came up with this silliness? Either run the two-mile or run 3000 m, the international standard. Nobody outside of running circles knows what the 3200 or the 1600 is. Yes, sub-9:00 is impressive, but it's even more so if it's over two full miles.
I am glad the Pre Classic has stuck to the two mile format over the years (and the mile).
Old wrote:
High Schools​ started running 3200 over 35 years ago so even people in their early 50s ran 3200.
gimick wrote:
By keeping it a 3200m, Gonzalez is denying anybody the chance to break this record. He could set up an official 3200m timer as part of the 2-mile race for the kids who want to break school/state records.
[quote]kjhg wrote:
How good was Lukas Verzbicas and his 8:29!?
Damn, just another level, and he basically time trialed it.
Give some credit to his pharmacist
J Haze wrote:
[quote]kjhg wrote:
How good was Lukas Verzbicas and his 8:29!?
Damn, just another level, and he basically time trialed it.
Give some credit to his pharmacist
It's amazing how guys can run 8:45 these days and not be (or even become) "household names" in this little world of ours. Not sure if I'd ever heard of Hindman, Bolger, Grijalva, Lane, Hull, or Watkins.
Anyone know anything interesting about those guys? Learned in this thread that Hindman is a junior world champ in the tri.
1 Cooper Teare 12 St. Joseph-Nd 8:41.46
2 Austin Hindman 12 Lafayette (W 8:43.40
3 Casey Clinger 12 American Fork 8:44.70
4 Callum Bolger 12 San Luis Obispo 8:45.10
5 Luis Grijalva 12 Armijo 8:45.58
6 Connor Lane 12 Cardinal Gibbons 8:47.00
7 Finn Gessner 12 Madison LaFollette 8:47.57
8 Talon Hull 12 Weber 8:48.44
9 Mathew Watkins 12 Jackson - WA 8:48.84
OK. Seriously now.... wrote:
No one is saying "these guys suck" but rather that the event organizer does by not providing a forum in which some impressive performances could result in actual, meaningful stats that IAAF, USATF, T&FN, or LRC would be able to cite.
By the way, the 1976 dirt track race referred to above was not 3200y or m but 2 miles, needs no conversion, and is more impressive than suggested. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go and train for my 9km record attempt!
Right, because the kids ran the race so that the IAAF, USATF, T&FN, or LRC can have actual meaningful stats. TF is wrong with you people?
How's this for meaningful? Cooper Teare's time converts to about 3/10ths of a second faster than Wang Junxia ran almost a quarter century ago after breaking the WR only 24 hours earlier.
Every American distance runner here ran the 3200m in high school. The two mile is ran virtually nowhere in the US.
Bundang Social Club wrote:
Anyone know anything interesting about those guys?
Luis Grijalva is a great dancer.