I don't get it Rojo, that quote is neither inflammatory nor over the top.
I don't get it Rojo, that quote is neither inflammatory nor over the top.
Two Comments
1) Why, with the literally millions (if not billions of dollars) of dollars spent on lame off season media coverage of the NFL inlcuding hundreds of sports talk radio stations and dozens of TV programs, did it take Al Jazerra to uncover this? Is journalism dead within the American based media?
2) Seems if we ever able to actually do investigations into drug use it would be pretty easy to find the cheats.
Same type of silly goose chase as posted prior about NOP athletes.
This time though people will get sued.
PEDs only matter in track and baseball.
Everyone in the NFL is on something. No big deal.
The elephant in the room is Ashley Manning.
Mid thirties and needs anti-aging therapy?????
Most women her age use botox & facial chemical peels for their anti-aging therapy. Is Ashley Manning a professional athlete.....or a smokescreen?
Why would Peyton feel the need to retain Ari Fleischer as his mouthpiece?
Lance never tested positive.....neither did Christian Hesch - the other most prominent athlete ever busted.
My cynicism tells me the HGH was for Peyton, not Ashley Manning.
Seems to Easy wrote:
Two Comments
1) Why, with the literally millions (if not billions of dollars) of dollars spent on lame off season media coverage of the NFL inlcuding hundreds of sports talk radio stations and dozens of TV programs, did it take Al Jazerra to uncover this? Is journalism dead within the American based media?
Yes it's dead.
1) A report like that is expensive. Think about it, if you pay a guy $75,000 a year and have him spend 6 months on it, that's nearly $40k right there. He'd got to fly places though , say in hotels, etc. No way is a newspaper going to spend like $60,000 to write a story that everyone in the world can copy within 5 seconds of it being published. So that leaves tv.
2) Please tell me what media entity with tv rights is going to publish a story that rips the NFL. They want to be in the leagues and players good graces.
One of the best posts I've ever read on doping. It is fraud and theft and ought to be dealt with accordingly, and uniformly.
This guy has it right wrote:
The leagues like status quo wrote:.... That'll probably will not happen unless laws are passed to criminalize doping.
This is absolutely what is needed. We got laws to criminalize Marijuana, but nothing to criminalize doping (i.e. not just getting illegal steroids but using them to defraud the competition out of potential earnings). Marijuana should probably be legalized (but still controlled to usage in private and sales controlled to locations that don't allow minors).
The resources that could be saved by legalization of Marijuana could then be used to catch dopers, could you image the opportunities? You would potentially be able to use jail threats, under oath testimony, to get people to confess with full disclosures and throw other cheaters under the bus. You could have police do actual investigations with search warrants and actually seize documents leading to more arrests. You would only need to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" to get convictions.
Right now, all we got is random positive tests, no investigations, no controls on the suppliers, no real punishments as people keep all there past earnings and get no jail time.
Basically with the way it is now the testing has become just part of the game you have to beat, like taking a foul at the end of game or taking a pass interference to stop a sure touchdown.
I read an ESPN article that made it sound like Sly was completely full of it, so I doubted the entire story. Just like I doubted the NOP allegations. Then I watched the documentary. I don't believe ESPN any more. There absolutely has to be some level of truth to the documentary. No way Sly has all those drugs for himself.
The questions for me are which parts are true?
BTW - how did they film makers get connected to Sly? The Vancouver drs said they were sending them to someone brilliant and that doesn't sound like Sly! That dude seemed not so smart.
I keep hearing now that Charlie Sly has recanted his claims from the documentary, as if that means he's unreliable and we should just ignore whatever he might have said.
Well, OF COURSE he's taking it back! What he was doing was against the law. It's not like he was a voluntary participant in the allegations being made: he was filmed on hidden video. So really, the most pragmatic thing for him to do now would be just to say he made everything up. Nobody with half a brain is likely to believe him, but obviously he's not going to come out and say "yes, yes, it's all true - I was involved in all these illegal activities, just like the TV show says." He's just protecting himself - not Peyton Manning.
Just wanting to point out the obvious, because some people seem to be misinterpreting his disavowals as if he did it because he felt bad about these "unfair" accusations against famous athletes.
Rojo - and all other accusers... perhaps you've made up your mind too soon and need to apologize.
The Guyer Institute says the accuser wasn't employed in 2011.
"INDIANAPOLIS — The founder of an Indianapolis medical facility said Monday that a former unpaid student intern who claimed Peyton Manning used a banned substance in 2011 didn't even work at the clinic until two years later, long after the NFL star was undergoing treatment.
Dr. Dale Guyer, who started The Guyer Institute, said the allegations against the Denver Broncos quarterback are untrue."
here's the list of organizations that would fight, tooth and nail, against criminalizing doping:IOCEvery IOC sports federation (FIFA, FINA, IAAF)NFLPGANBASoccerNCAABCS Did I miss any? And, most importantly, all laws will be written to criminalize the athlete, not the federations encouraging the doping.The problems start in the federations permitting the doping.
Snooze Alarm wrote:
One of the best posts I've ever read on doping. It is fraud and theft and ought to be dealt with accordingly, and uniformly.
This guy has it right wrote:This is absolutely what is needed. We got laws to criminalize Marijuana, but nothing to criminalize doping (i.e. not just getting illegal steroids but using them to defraud the competition out of potential earnings). Marijuana should probably be legalized (but still controlled to usage in private and sales controlled to locations that don't allow minors).
The resources that could be saved by legalization of Marijuana could then be used to catch dopers, could you image the opportunities? You would potentially be able to use jail threats, under oath testimony, to get people to confess with full disclosures and throw other cheaters under the bus. You could have police do actual investigations with search warrants and actually seize documents leading to more arrests. You would only need to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" to get convictions.
Right now, all we got is random positive tests, no investigations, no controls on the suppliers, no real punishments as people keep all there past earnings and get no jail time.
Basically with the way it is now the testing has become just part of the game you have to beat, like taking a foul at the end of game or taking a pass interference to stop a sure touchdown.
rojo wrote:
Peyton Manthing wrote:It's totally possible that Collins is being threatened by someone on the Manning side, right? We saw the Salazar and Armstrong camps threatened plenty of people - the
Collins didn't recant anything. Collins simply went undercover and videotaped other people talking about all of the people they've doped.
It amazes me that people will speculate about what they haven't watched. Please watch the program. Sly is the one who has recanted everything which is absurd because some of it is obvioulsy true.
I'm most pleased this is putting heat on the NFL. I loved this paragraph from the NY Times although I think it's a little over the top:
NY Times wrote:
Rather the shock would be to discover that more than a few men in this morally compromised sport are completely clean. In the last two decades, the weight of N.F.L. linemen has jumped by 50, 60, 70 pounds, and men the size of linebackers play wide receiver. At the draft combine, teams weigh in players like so many steers and then chart their every improbable sprint, vertical jump and bench press.
People think we're inflammatory on LetsRun.com. We've never written a quote like that about running - ever.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/28/sports/football/claims-of-peyton-manning-doping-raise-nagging-questions.html?_r=0
Sorry, I mixed up names. The point still stands though - the fact that he's recanting despite obvious truths only supports that idea.
rcdude wrote:
Rojo - and all other accusers... perhaps you've made up your mind too soon and need to apologize.
The Guyer Institute says the accuser wasn't employed in 2011.
It doesn't change that much. They confirm that:
1. Manning's wife was getting shipped HGH. No one disputes this.
2. Manning was treated at the anti-aging clinic. Manning admits that but says they were "holistic" treatments.
3. An anti-aging clinic should not have been prescribing HGH for Manning's wife. That's off-label and illegal.
Sly had a huge amount of PEDs on hand. Some of his story has to be true.
British press is so bad wrote:
rcdude wrote:Rojo - and all other accusers... perhaps you've made up your mind too soon and need to apologize.
The Guyer Institute says the accuser wasn't employed in 2011.
It doesn't change that much. They confirm that:
1. Manning's wife was getting shipped HGH. No one disputes this.
2. Manning was treated at the anti-aging clinic. Manning admits that but says they were "holistic" treatments.
3. An anti-aging clinic should not have been prescribing HGH for Manning's wife. That's off-label and illegal.
Sly had a huge amount of PEDs on hand. Some of his story has to be true.
No one disputes HGH was shipped to Manning's wife? Really? I doubt that.
British press is so bad wrote:
rcdude wrote:Rojo - and all other accusers... perhaps you've made up your mind too soon and need to apologize.
The Guyer Institute says the accuser wasn't employed in 2011.
It doesn't change that much. They confirm that:
1. Manning's wife was getting shipped HGH. No one disputes this.
2. Manning was treated at the anti-aging clinic. Manning admits that but says they were "holistic" treatments.
3. An anti-aging clinic should not have been prescribing HGH for Manning's wife. That's off-label and illegal.
Sly had a huge amount of PEDs on hand. Some of his story has to be true.
#1 has not been confirmed. They confirmed that she was a patient and was being sent something but have not confirmed what. The fact that they did not come right out and say it was HGH makes it seem likely that was what she received.
It would be mind blowingly stupid for the spouse of a professional athlete to take an illegal substance that is considered a performance enhancer just because it could be linked back to their spouse right or wrong. I feel like HGH is fairly well known to be considered a banned PED.
rcdude wrote:
No one disputes HGH was shipped to Manning's wife? Really? I doubt that.
Correct. No one disputes that.
"A spokesman for Manning confirmed to NFL Network reporter Ian Rapoport that Manning's wife was a patient at the clinic and did have a prescription but wouldn't confirm what it was."
No one is saying Ashley didn't have HGH. By not saying that, they are admitting she had it. So his wife is a doper so she can look hotter?
rcdude wrote:
Rojo - and all other accusers... perhaps you've made up your mind too soon and need to apologize.
The Guyer Institute says the accuser wasn't employed in 2011.
It sounds like Dr. Guyer is a liar. Al Jazeera has provided a transcript they made to verify Sly's employment From a HuffPost article (link below)
(Phone rings)
Recorded Message “Thank you for calling the Guyer Institute of Molecular Medicine, if this is a true medical emergency please hang up and dial 911…â€
Heather: This is Heather can I help you?
Deborah: Hello Heather, I wonder if you can. I need to do an employment verification on a gentleman called Charles Sly.
Heather: Yes
Deborah: He is a pharmacist and I believe he did a rotation with you is that right? Do you know him?
Heather: Yes. Uh-huh.
Deborah: Can you possibly give me the precise dates?
Heather: I can. It will be just a minute.
(Hold music)
Heather: Sorry to keep you waiting.
Deborah: No that’s fine thank you.
Heather: It looks like he was here in the fall of 2011. The start date we have, where we signed for him, was 10-17 of '11.
Deborah: 10-17-11. OK. Do you know how long he stayed with you?
Heather: I think it’s for a couple of months. Like 3 months maybe.
Deborah: Great. Can I just check one other thing? Was he in house in your pharmacy or was he also out and about on rounds?
Heather: Oh. He was in our pharmacy.
Deborah: OK. That’s great. It sounds like you know him then?
Heather: Yes. I knew him when he was here.
Deborah: Thank you so much.
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Well of course it is. When you want to boost readership you have to have sensational stories try or false, it get eyes , eyes bring money.
Not so sure about your $$, the reporter does a number assignments, they are paid to generate stories not $75k ( or $40k) for this one story. All reporters pray for the big one that gets them the type of headlines we are seeing here. More times than not the degree of credibility and accuracy get fudged to accommodate what makes headlines.Drugs and pro athletes generate interest in the general public.
The paper has insurance when they get sued and plan litigation costs into the yearly budget.
BTW ,when does anybody that views this website look at Al Jazeera? Probably zero. Now they have more eyes.
bad_stats wrote:
Anyone still following this story closely that can explain what this means? There are reports that Charlie Sly is urging us not to trust the things he's been taped saying:
“To be clear: I am recanting any such statements and there is no truth to any statement of mine that Al Jazeera plans to air. Under no circumstances should any of those statements, recordings or communications be aired.â€
-https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/28/meet-charlie-sly-the-man-telling-and-recanting-tales-about-doping-peyton-manning-and-ryan-zimmerman/
Check his bank account.
It's funny how sports media merely says, "the source recanted his story" and all the uninformed people dismiss it as a joke and Peyton is innocent. Well of course the source, AKA the guy who got exposed on hidden camera tries to cover his own butt. The NFL says they are doing their own investigation, but I doubt anything comes of that. They want to protect the players here, even though it's obvious to anyone with capable intellect that everything is true from the Al Jazeera report.