TINMAN BASHES WEJO's COACH

Now that's a great post. Not only thoughtful but well communicated. And appropriately humorous. I suppose I owe you another apology, more sincere than the first. I presumed you studied theory/criticism, as do most, but since my wife's MFA is in writing I am prone to consider other students of English to share her passion for clear communication. I suppose it would be too much to ask a Masters level student to learn both to read (theory) and write at the same time, eh?

So I guess I was just confused by the first post... couldn't tell if you were talking about the Johnsons' Johnsons or whatnot.

Sir Lance-alot,

What a BAD take! And by that I mean NOT GOOD.

LOOK, Pete laughs that some think JK is Hadd. Ha! I laugh at that too. Pete is NOT fooled there.

Also, this Flagpole Willy character that you all keep mentioning must have been some kind of interesting fellow if you all keep mentioning him all the time. My guess is that his act WAS an act, for if Flagpole Willy really were an egotist, he would still be posting here with that name and being the same. I don't see that. I look around and I don't see that.

Too bad Sir Lance-alot you're wrong here.

Pete was fooled!? Ha! No way! Not Pete...EVER!

Jim Rome - OUT!

although science is important in coaching, so is personality. i would have to say, as an athlete, i would NOT want to be coached by Tinman! I would not mind being coached by Kellogg. That is why Kellogg has more success than Tinman. He may have a lot of knowledge, but I would be afraid to talk to him about training as an athlete because he would react like he has on the boards and that breeds no confidence in the athlete.

ESL PhD wrote:

high-school and college wannabes.

high school is correct.

jim rome:

tinman coaches me.

so do hadd, lydiard, and daniels.

i take all their ideas that i get from the net and use them.

so if i win race for the cure i can thank tinman.

you know... wrote:

i take all their ideas that i get from the net and use them.

Without attribution?!?!?!?!

Tinman once had his own parody. "Pretendman". Guy was a riot.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=458338&page=6

Hey, Jim, where's my Christmas present, bro?

Loved your 2004 countdown show.

Antonio Cabral wrote:

in the pseudonimous of Hadd he did several rubish posts with personal offenses. also as "stop the pingeon" and many other nicknames.

I'll take any bet for any sum of money that Hadd and JK are not the same person. Hopefully, the site founders or forum moderators can provide IP checks on these people's posts and prove it to you. If you want to put up enough money to really make this worthwhile, we can fly them to your location with proof positive ID they're different people. Either way, you're going to lose that bet.

I do believe stop the pigeon is JK, at least his co-worker fwrunco said so, but I don't think stop the pigeon ever bashed you or Tinman. If you claim he did, the burden of proof falls on you, not anybody else, to provide the evidence.

The only thing I can recall Kellogg saying about you, indirectly, was praise for the training of Rui Silva. Something about Silva's training ought to be required reading for United States middle distance runners.

John Rome (Jim's Brother) wrote:

Hey, Jim, where's my Christmas present, bro?

Loved your 2004 countdown show.

Oh, it's in the mail. I donated some money in your name to The Human Fund. Some short, bald, fat guy told me about it.

Jim Rome - OUT!

Tinman, bashing JK...HILARIOUS!

So what that JK borrowed some philosophies from others? Who the hell cares? All coaches borrow from others. It's just running. It's not rocket science.

Step One - Run really far, and do this for a while.

Step Two - Keep running far, but add some hills.

Step Three - Still run kind of far, but not as far, and run a little faster than you were, perhaps in some organized measured fashion.

Step Four - Race.

Step Five - Race for a while with recovery runs in there and then when the races start going south, go back to Step One.

So Tinman is absolved of his spewing just because he cites others? NO! He is still presenting himself as a know-it-all (in the true sense of the phrase). He is still looking for ego strokes.

Does Tinman have a student as successful as Wejo? Some of you make fun of Wejo (and for why I don't know), but 28:06 is pretty damned fast for anyone in the US not named Ritzenhein or Brown or Culpepper or Meb - well there might be a few others, but not many.

Good going there Wejo. I'd take low 28s any day.

Tinman bashing JK - PHENOMENAL!

Jim Rome - OUT!

I'm honored to be quoted by the illustrious flagpole willy, but you better cite me on "ego strokes" :)

liminalism wrote:

I'm honored to be quoted by the illustrious flagpole willy, but you better cite me on "ego strokes" :)

Um...not sure how I quoted you, but OK.

Jim Rome - OUT!

Antonio:

HADD IS NOT JK! Ask Wejo who posted on this thread. He has everyone's IP address. Wejo can look at a Hadd post and see it is from ITaly and look at a JK post and see is from Texas. There is no way to "fake" this.

PAnache:

Didn't you say JK was writing a book?

Wejo:

Thanks for the reply. IT is good to hear about your coach. Tell him thanks for those articles.

scatman wrote:

1/I'll take any bet for any sum of money that Hadd and JK are not the same person.

Hopefully, the site founders or forum moderators can provide IP checks on these people's posts and prove it to you. If you want to put up enough money to really make this worthwhile, we can fly them to your location with proof positive ID they're different people. Either way, you're going to lose that bet.

2/The only thing I can recall Kellogg saying about you, indirectly, was praise for the training of Rui Silva. Something about Silva's training ought to be required reading for United States middle distance runners.

scatman

1/Since some twelve years ago the police enters in my house by the morning and arrest me saying that they gonna put me in jail because "Antonio Jorge Carlos Fernandes Cabral" that´s my complete name made expenses and doesn´t pay that things he buy, and i needed some months to finnaly prove that´s a guy with my age (2 months less) thaty lived some yards distant than me and NOT ME i believe in all life chances that you can have a Hadd that´s a coach, and show me his ID, or this site Moderators can say that JK and Hadd are 2 different people - that i don´t believe.

How can this site Moderators saying anything that really matters about that issue, they are themselves the ones that they promotes anonymous posts, and they are very close to Jk that´s not illogical that made a agreement not to reveal Hadd identity. Are you asking a lier or someone that catchs the true and you believe in thier answers ? I don´t.

Eventaully most of the post offenses that hadd said the Moderators did delete that.

2/About Rui Silva. That´s right that JK did that comments i that´s find. I have no exclusive of Rui´s training - i love that he did that. But if you want my sincere opinion - i´ve said that a few times here, i´ve seen that JK he misunderstood lots the Rui Silva training. But that i will discuss publicaly only with him, because that´s not fair to made some comments or discussing about what someone wrotes (me about Rui) with that the other one knows (i just knew that later on because a friend told me). I would do that unpolite act that he did to me. Since i have my e-mail adress in that article, if he is a polite man he would send me an email made me know that he did comment my article.

So, as you see the unpoliteness of Jk is not just Hadd is also when he signs by himself.

Antonio:

I do not know why you insist, against any evidence whatsover beyond Hadd and JK citing the same LANDMARK study (any coach can use a high profile study), that Hadd and JK are the same person.

You do not believe the moderators? Why not? They are the only ones who have the information. Do you think they have something to gain by inventing a fake person and spending hours posting training information in his name? There is no reason or evidence for your theory.

As for JK "insulting you" that is ridiculous. This is a PUBLIC running forum, just as your articles were PUBLICLY posted on MariusBakken.com. He and anyone else can comment on what you wrote if you put it on the Internet. And I read his posts on Silva's training; what did he "misunderstand"? Seemed pretty accurate to me, and I will even repost his comments if you like (or if anyone else wants to read).

To Lancelot: I have seen you before try to diminish the roles of coaches who have brought their athletes big results. You admitted yourself you barely read the thread, yet you somehow feel qualified to dismiss it as "worthless" and tear down great coaches.

Glad to see you're so "positive."

joel wrote:

Anyone on this board looking to improve their running (most of us) and berating others should ask themselves where they gather the training and direction for their running. It is gained from those willing to share. We learn from the likes of Peter Coe, Jack Daniels, John Kellogg, Steve Bennett, Renato Canova, Joe Rubio, Luis Olivera, Arthur Lydiard, Marius Bakken, . . . .

Damn -- Joe Rubio, how'd you end up in this elite company? I remember when you were just a young pup who listened to REM . . .