Rudisha Says 48.5, 50.5 Split Possible......

ventolin^3 wrote:

SPMBLNPF wrote:6. Lucas Rotich 27:34.55

f*cking moron

26'43.98

you think he spent 9/12 of hard training off recorded 26'43 abilty to finish 6th in trials ???

idiot

it means guys ahead of him are helluva lot better than 26'43

get it into your numbskull moron

wilson is best 10k talent kenya has ever produced

How stupid are you? This race was almost 15 months before Rotich ran 26:43. As far as the Kenyan Trials in Eugene are concerned, runners are not robots. You're really stupid to assume that Rotich always runs his best.

As far as Kiprop is concerned, he is NOT the best 10,000m talent that Kenya has produced.

Samuel Wanjiru ran 26:41 before his 19th birthday. Wanjiru could have run 26:20 if he'd not gone to the marathon. Wanjiru was more talented than Wilson Kiprop, although both are/were lacking a great kick on the track.

ventolin, how far back does your calculator go?

You have offered lines of fit for people like Jim Ryun; consequently, could you quantify the inherent value of performances by someone like Emil Zatopek?

How much was the triple in 1952 worth?

Whats the cut off for your jundo calculator?

Read more:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4691943

thanks

ventolin^3 wrote:

wilson ran his 1st ever sea-level 10k in eugene, winning as class of field

age doesn't matter as he didn't even take up serious running until aged 21y

Kenya's 10,000m team is really weak. That's why they might be willing to sacrifice 2 of their runners in hopes of getting one medal. Wilson Kiprop has NO CHANCE of getting the gold medal. Kiprop CANNOT run away from Kenenisa and he CANNOT outkick either Kenenisa or Farah. Kiprop is not nearly as talented as you think. Tergat in his prime would have about a 50 percent chance at getting gold this year. Wilson Kiprop has no chance. There is nobody with all of the younger Geb's tools in this 10,000m field, as Bekele is not at his best and Mo Farah is no Geb.

Has anyone found a link that supports the OP's claim that Rudisha ever actually said that?

Ventolin, your stupidity never ceases to amaze. The 5000m studs from Paris are NOT competing in the Olympic 10,000m. How stupid can you get? Secondly, you claim that Kenya is fielding a 10,000m team consisting of a 26:20 guy and two 26:30 guys.

The truth is their team consists of a guy who ran 26:49 5 years ago, and hasn't been under 27 in 3 years, a guy who has run 27:01 and can probably run 26:35 on a perfect day, and a guy who has run 27:05 and can probably run 26:45 on a perfect day. Your delusional world view is laughable to the intelligent, but perhaps a few unwashed are licking it up.

SPMBLNPF wrote:Ventolin, your stupidity never ceases to amaze

moron

The 5000m studs from Paris are NOT competing in the Olympic 10,000m. How stupid can you get?

idiot

can't your peabrain underatand if 12'46 guys are finishing in 54, there is comparable talent out at 10k

are you that dumb ???

Secondly, you claim that Kenya is fielding a 10,000m team consisting of a 26:20 guy and two 26:30 guys.

The truth is their team consists of a guy who ran 26:49 5 years ago, and hasn't been under 27 in 3 years, a guy who has run 27:01 and can probably run 26:35 on a perfect day, and a guy who has run 27:05 and can probably run 26:45 on a perfect day

moron

does your numbskull not understand

12'46 off previous 12'55 ???

what part of your peabrain can't understand 26'43-lucas got crushed ???

Your delusional world view is laughable to the intelligent, but perhaps a few unwashed are licking it up.

complete f*cking idiot

you have no clue

ventolin^3 wrote:

does your numbskull not understand

12'46 off previous 12'55 ???

That would make a 25:41. Nobody is going to run that fast in our lifetimes.

Of course, IF you were referring to Gebremeskel, and I assume you were, Gebrmeskel had already run 12:53 before this year, and I, being the genius that I am, picked him to win gold this year BEFORE he ran 12:46. The Ethiopian 5000m team is extremely talented, and the 5000m field is of a higher caliber in London than the 10,000m field.

BTW, I am tired of calling you a moron, so it goes without saying.

It's best sometimes to just ignore the ramblings of a mad man. He will argue that day is night if his calculator tells him so.

He thinks he's the world's expert on middle and distance running and is too arrogant to ever admit he is wrong, which he is often.

deanouk wrote:

It's best sometimes to just ignore the ramblings of a mad man. He will argue that day is night if his calculator tells him so.

He thinks he's the world's expert on middle and distance running and is too arrogant to ever admit he is wrong, which he is often.

Yes, deanouk, you're correct. I agree with you on this thread, while acknowledging that if you have a bias, it is to favor Coe a bit. However, you're at least in the ballpark and appear to be living in reality, unlike our friend.

SPMBLNPF wrote:

deanouk wrote:

It's best sometimes to just ignore the ramblings of a mad man. He will argue that day is night if his calculator tells him so.

He thinks he's the world's expert on middle and distance running and is too arrogant to ever admit he is wrong, which he is often.

Yes, deanouk, you're correct. I agree with you on this thread, while acknowledging that if you have a bias, it is to favor Coe a bit. However, you're at least in the ballpark and appear to be living in reality, unlike our friend.

Thanks. Do I favour Coe a bit!? Surely not. Lol.

Yes I do, but I feel I can always back up what I say with some semblance of reality, as you have suggested.

The problem with Ventolin is that he is so polarised with his hypothetical suggestions. He is happy to knock huge chunks off the times if he likes an athlete (namely if they're Kenyan or Ryun), but for others, like Coe, he screams blue murder if someone suggests a few tenths. According to him, and I have had the misfortune of reading most of his posts on here and T&FN for about 5 years now, Coe it would seem is the only athlete in history who actually ran the perfect race to his full potential that night in Florence. I don't think I've ever seen him suggest that any other athlete could not have run any faster than he or she did. His calculator will always tell us that everyone could have run faster if conditions, pace, wind, etc were perfect, except Coe over 800m.

How dare anyone suggest that a European 30 years ago could run as fast as 2 subsequent Kenyans running in completely different eras!?

All I know is Galen Rupp's ceiling is an Olympic medal in the 10000m.

Trust me, I know ceilings.

Were you raised by wolves?

moron

you don't offer objective opinion

listen/learn

coe is not in 800 top 3 consideration - cruz takes him with proper time in proper meet, not unknown florence rubbish

drivel

moron

if cruz hadn't been crippled with series of 1'42's + 2'14 before cologne, nor hugely taxing faster 4 runs in OG, he mighta turned up fresh in cologne

not 1'41.77 ???

how much quicker moron ???

moron

never warranted it over 800

thank you pointing out swerve around billy

hopefuly kip will go 49.5 instead of 48.3 in zurich

maybe rudy may get within 5m of a pacer at 300 in berlin '10

coe not 1'41.0 in '81

no fast enough 800s after 1'41.7

who is this "she" moron ?

moron

i reckon 1'41.4 in '81

sorry

no 1'41.0 no matter how you pray

he was at his limit in firenze

slowing down to 26.7

no good

i don't

fact

he wasn't as fast as 2 kenyans later

he wasn't in same class

ventolin^3 wrote:

moron

moron

moron

i'm not as wrong as you idiot

idiot...

This sounds like something you might here on the playground where the kids weren't raised in a proper manner. So you're admitting that you're wrong, but you appear to believe that you're not as wrong as somebody else. However, since you're wrong, you're wrong, and if you're less wrong than somebody else, that may console you, but it leaves you, nonetheless, wrong.

SPMBLNPF wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

moron

moron

moron

i'm not as wrong as you idiot

idiot...

This sounds like something you might here on the playground where the kids weren't raised in a proper manner.

Of course, you might even hear it on the playground.

ventolin^3 wrote:

f*cking moron

so dumb you can't post 1 concise reply

f*cking idiot

You're so stupid you CANNOT recognize that I posted the second reply to correct the misuse of a homophone, and by that I do NOT mean the phone you use to contact your friends.

You're ruining this site. Stop posting please.

Ventolin, What do you think a good line of fit for Steve Ovett andSteve Cram would be over 400m/800m(and what do you think they could run for 1500m maxed out).

ventolin^3 wrote:

i reckon 1'41.4 in '81

sorry

no 1'41.0 no matter how you pray

he was at his limit in firenze

slowing down to 26.7

no good

he wasn't as fast as 2 kenyans later

he wasn't in same class

Very amusing. I don't need to pray or get any validation from you as to Coe's potential that year. He was in 1:41.5 shape that night in June and from what he did in other races, and from what I have read about what he was doing in training, I have no doubt he could have run 1:41.0 that year. He had no idea he was not going to have another opportunity within the next 2 seasons to improve on it. His 84 LA run was worth 1:42.5 had he not run wide and he was also clearly in 1:42 low shape in 86, when running a 24.8 last 200 in a 1:44.5 in the rain, where he ran at least 8m further than 800m.

He was within 0.6 of Kipketer, running 15 years later and Rudisha running 30 years later. Of course they should be running faster in later.

And his last 200 in Florence was not 26.7, it was more like 26.3. The splits for that race were pretty much guess work. His 400 from 200 to 600 was 51.0 , which is clearly seen on any video of the race, which does not fit with so called "official" splits of 24.4 and 1:15.0. The 600m split is too fast. It was more like 1:15.4, giving him a 26.3 last 200m.