The official Rich Harden is SICK and the most underrated player in baseball Thread

baseball dude wrote:

It sure is going to be great when the Brewers catch the Cubs tonight!!! And it will be thanks largely to the guy who has been the best pitcher in baseball for the past two months: CC Sabathia.

How did that work out on Monday? How come the Brewers are 3 games out today?

Harden = Better 'stuff'

Sabathia = More valuable , more durable.

- "You never know"

Wrong. Harden does plenty for his team to win no matter how many innings he pitches. Oakland is 34-11 his last 45 starts there.

THAT IS ABSURD! RIDICULOUS!

There is no justification for the argument that he leaves his team in a bad situation when he leaves games. Any club would take that record. I'm not going to go back and look at CC's numbers for this stat but lets just say this:

CC is 10-8 this year so he is dominating to late into ball games my friend.

Sabathia's going to the HOF.

Harden's headed to the DL.

If you had to win ONE game, who do you take?

CC's career era is 3.78. Over the last 5 years that era would rank you anywhere from 15-25 among pitchers in the, wait for it...AL only. His best era ever is 3.21. Nick Blackburn is having a better year this year than CC's average major league year era-wise. Never heard of Nick Blackburn...thats because he isn't having a great year.

CC is not and has never been a A+ level pitcher. His Cy Young has to be one of the weakest Cy youngs ever awarded. He didnt win 20 games, had a 3.21 era and opponents hit .259 off him. Those are second tier numbers. There are 21 pitchers with better than than a 3.27 era this year.

This is Letsrun, so who would win in a 5k? Harden! lol

I don't think anyone (besides me oh my) is arguing that Harden is a more valuable pitcher than Sabathia. Sabathia goes deeper into games and is more durable. That being said, I would arguable that Harden is a more effective pitcher. By that, I mean that on an inning by inning basis, there is no better starting pitcher in the majors.

Yes, I would obviously rather have Sabathia, but we traded basically nothing for Harden, who has a nice, affordable club option for next year. How did you Brewers' fans enjoy trading a 7th overall draft pick for a rent-a-player? The Cubs' trade was clearly a huge steal when you consider Gaudin, who is a strong relief pitcher.

Cubbies wrote:

This is Letsrun, so who would win in a 5k? Harden! lol

I don't think anyone (besides me oh my) is arguing that Harden is a more valuable pitcher than Sabathia. Sabathia goes deeper into games and is more durable. That being said, I would arguable that Harden is a more effective pitcher. By that, I mean that on an inning by inning basis, there is no better starting pitcher in the majors.

There's only one dope on the board who would disagree with you.

Your head is so far up your ass it is unbelievable if you think CC Sabathia is a lock to go to the HOF.

Ever heard of Bert Blyleven. 3,700 K's 3.31 era, 287 wins. NOT in the HOF.

If CC gets much better and pitches until he 37 he still probably wont reach these numbers.

You dont know anything about Baseball. Stop trying. There is no reason to think anyone with a 3.78 career era is getting into the HOF.

Harden is headed to the DL? Can you predict the future? One game I take Harden 10 out of 10 times. Thats the point he is much better when he pitches as every stat indicates.

Also it is reasonable to believe Harden would have better numbers if he does stay healthy for long stretches.

Um, last year Sabathia had 37 walks in 241 innings. That's awesome. And not that this needs repeating, but Wins are a really stupid metric to use. Incredibly stupid. Johan Santana only has 8 wins this year but he's been a way better pitcher than say, Kyle Lohse, who has 12 wins. Wins are completely based on whether or not your team scores runs against the other teams pitcher.

It's also stupid to predict HoF numbers now. The only one young enough to predict for the HoF right now is Pujols, who if he retired next year would be a lock. He is that good.

Active Pitching Leaders: Wins (Under Age of 30)

1. Buerhle (29) 115

2. Sabathia (28) 110

3. Santana (29) 102

4. Garland (28) 101

5. Zambrano (27) 94

6. Lackey (29) 88

7. Beckett (28) 86

8. Peavy (27) 84

9. Sheets (29) 83

10. Webb (29) 79

Harden 36

Other active pitchers (under age 30) ahead of Harden in career wins include: Oliver Perez, Joe Blanton, and Daniel Cabrera.

me o my wrote:

Again Harden's Era this year 2.10

Sabathia's 3.30

Not Even Close.

Just to let you know Harden has a better whip than CC anyway this season.

Brad Ziegler 0.00

you are saying I am dumb and you just wrote this sentence:

The only one young enough to predict for the HoF right now is Pujols, who if he retired next year would be a lock. He is that good.

A-rod?

A-rod is 32. He's played 15 seasons already. He's not "young" by baseball standards. He already has 540 home runs and a lifetime awesomeness rating of infinity. He's 36th on the Runs Created list and still has like 8-10 years of baseball in him where he'll OPS around .950-1.000. He'll probably go down as the 2nd or 3rd best player to ever live. He singlehandedly redefined the position that Cal Ripken Jr had redefined like 10 years earlier (and then gave it up to a crummy defender who is basically a singles hitter now).

Pujols has only played 8 years, averages 1.043 OPS each year, has a career OPS+ of 168, good enough for 6th all time. By age, these are the players he's most compared to:

21. Joe DiMaggio (962)

22. Joe DiMaggio (939)

23. Joe DiMaggio (955)

24. Joe DiMaggio (933)

25. Joe DiMaggio (911)

26. Joe DiMaggio (897)

27. Joe DiMaggio (883)

He's been the most dominant player in the NL since he arrived, not counting Barry Bonds. Last year he OPSed like .997 with a broken wrist. His WARP3 is consistently like 11.5, which means he basically accounts for 11.5 wins per year all by himself for the Cards. He is insanely awesome, and is the best player in baseball.

lets just agree on this... Cubs >> Brewers

One, I am not arguing Pujols is not a mazing. This post said nothing about being a certain age from what I can tell. In fact it doesnt make sense.

"The only one young enough to predict for the HoF right now is Pujols, who if he retired next year would be a lock. He is that good."

I would say Arod is young enough to predict for the Hall of Fame. His number for his age guarantee him that he will be in th HOF. I stand by my statement. If Arod retired next year he would be a lock, moron.

What's the over/under on Harden's stint today?

I'm setting the over/under at 5 2/3--whaddaya got?

Over/under for wins for Harden today is 1. whaddaya got?

Jimmy Da Greek wrote:

What's the over/under on Harden's stint today?

I'm setting the over/under at 5 2/3--whaddaya got?

I'll take the under. He's established that pattern already.

looking good so far