The crazy thing about these XY individuals growing up believing themselves to be women is that it's now possible via blood test to determine with confidence the sex of the child you're carrying. During my last pregnancy, I had a test when I was 13 weeks pregnant - 13 weeks! - and in addition to being told my daughter didn't have any chromosomal abnormalities, they also shared that she was a girl. When I had my first child in 2012, this test didn't yet exist, or at least was rare. In 2014, it was beginning to be used for high risk pregnancies (eg older mothers). In 2019, most women in the US were getting the test. I'm sure it's even more common now. The test replaces low accuracy tests that women used to get (including myself) to screen for Down syndrome that had extremely high false positive rates and often led to needless amniocentesis, which was cause miscarriage.
There are many types of DSD that lead to different levels of androgen and androgen sensitivity that are not as simple as XX or XY. This is why the situation is so sensitive and generally not great.
I would be happy if we simply screened out all athletes with predominantly XY chromosomes from women's competition.
AOL lawyer - I would add would a reputable body like the Vegas boxing commission sanction the fight between these two athletes? I highly doubt it. Death or serious injury is both a moral and huge liability problem.
During pregnancy, mother and baby as well as baby and baby and even babies from previous pregnancy to baby from later pregnancy can absorb and exchange small amounts of cells, meaning that a mother who has birthed a male child, or who has a male twin or a male older sibling might have a minute amount of XY chromosomes. That woman will still overwhelmingly have XY chromosomes and therefore is easily identified as female via blood test. I learned about this in college bio and am not an expert, but it's the kind of thing people in favor of XY athletes in women's sport tend to bring up. It's a red herring.
I'm one of those mothers. I had a tumor behind one eye removed that turned out to be made up of tissue/cells that were unusual and unexpected, so the pathologist did further testing including DNA sex testing on some of the cells. About 80% of the 400 cells he did DNA sex testing on turned out to be 46,XY. Further testing revealed they were a match for my son's DNA.
But the average woman has about 28 trillion nucleated cells overall, the average man 36 trillion. So the smattering of a few odd 46,XY cells I have here and there with my son's DNA are probably just a teeny-tiny fraction of all the cells containing DNA in my body.
Similarly, the few 46, XX cells that my son may have gotten from me through maternal-fetal cell exchange are infinitesimal and inconsequential compared to the 36 trillion cells he has with his own XY DNA.
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There are many types of DSD that lead to different levels of androgen and androgen sensitivity that are not as simple as XX or XY. This is why the situation is so sensitive and generally not great.
I would be happy if we simply screened out all athletes with predominantly XY chromosomes from women's competition.
WA abandoned chromosomal sex verification last century for good reason. The sport is not about your happiness.
There are no transgender people in the Olympics. That was ruled out two years ago. So this whole story is BS! Maybe Let's Run will stop with the propaganda.
For the Paris 2024 Olympics, the new guidelines require transgender women to have completed their transition before the age of 12 to be eligible to compete in the women's category. This rule is intended to prevent any perceived unfair advantages that might arise from undergoing male puberty.
In addition, at least 10 Olympic sports have restricted the participation of transgender athletes. These include sports like athletics, cycling, swimming, rugby, rowing, and boxing.
So according to the rules if there was a trans person they would have had to transition before the age of 12 and not went through male puberty.
Why don't Lets Run get there fing facts straight before they start spreading BS!
There is such a hatred of trans people I guess they just got bored the last few months not being able to talk about trans people!
Letsrun why do you get some facts before you start these threads!
XY is not trans..... hence, the thread. But this has been debated ad nauseam. Simple reading of The Sport Gene reveals that the debate has been going on for 3 plus decades and will continue.
The Olympics in Paris has been terribly and shameless organized and administered to this point. Let’s see, so far, we have:
- Unacceptably shoddy accommodation w/ no a/c in accommodation or bus transport on absolutely boiling hot days and nights; the limiting of athletes food so they’re hungry (trying to force vegetarian menus);
- a *very* amateur, poorly executed and egotistical LGBT gay s** club Olympic opening ceremony theme, with a load of intentional (and stupid) insults to billions of Christians world-wide thrown in. It was an incredibly immature and poorly-done ‘display’.
- known XY fully biological male *men* bashing the shirts out of women in boxing;
- A convicted child ropist allowed to participate (Dutch volleyball player);
- risking athletes health by literally having them swim in sewerage in the triathlon.
Angela Carini of Italy could not continue after just one minute of boxing on Thursday at the 2024 Paris Olympics against Algeria's Imane Khelif, who was disqualified from last year's world championships.
There are no transgender people in the Olympics. That was ruled out two years ago. So this whole story is BS! Maybe Let's Run will stop with the propaganda.
For the Paris 2024 Olympics, the new guidelines require transgender women to have completed their transition before the age of 12 to be eligible to compete in the women's category. This rule is intended to prevent any perceived unfair advantages that might arise from undergoing male puberty.
In addition, at least 10 Olympic sports have restricted the participation of transgender athletes. These include sports like athletics, cycling, swimming, rugby, rowing, and boxing.
So according to the rules if there was a trans person they would have had to transition before the age of 12 and not went through male puberty.
Why don't Lets Run get there fing facts straight before they start spreading BS!
There is such a hatred of trans people I guess they just got bored the last few months not being able to talk about trans people!
Letsrun why do you get some facts before you start these threads!
It’s the co-flounder brothers that start or encourage these threads. Nothing is hoped to be gained by all this trans bashing. It’s just white knight incel venting. Nothing will be gained by all this trans bashing because no one in the real world cares about this transphobic little place.
No trans people because Hiltz is female only, the 2 boxers in the women's category and 2 Zambia soccer players on the women's team are all men, and there is actually no such thing as trans. There is only men and women, which is defined at birth and cannot be changed.
I understand all the "this is so unjust!" biological issues around this. I get it. But doesn't this also kind of show how ridiculous women's sports are in general?
This Italian woman is considered a trained Olympic boxer, she's wearing all kinds of protective gear, yet she gets in the ring with some weirdo transvestite or whatever and two punches and 30 seconds later she is on the canvas crying. WTF? Is the difference in athletic ability of men and women really that much? It appears so, which begs the question why anyone, male or female, watches women's sports? I'm seriously asking, as a guy who never found watching my son's 6 year old Tee-ball that interesting either. They aren't very good at hitting.
I’m so confused by the conservative opinion here. Up until today, I was under the impression that their main point was that men couldn’t give birth and so if someone couldn’t bare children then they had no business competing with women. But then here we actually have someone who was born a woman, has lived her entire life as a woman, has many losses in her sport (to women), is physically capable of baring children and yet the transphobes (aka Marjorie Taylor Green and JK Rowling) are still up in arms and calling her a man. I mean pick a lane and make up your mind. Should we just disqualify anyone who has a physical advantage? Like maybe we shouldn’t have let Michael Phelps compete because of his insane wingspan or maybe they should pull Wemby from the hoops competition because he’s 7’4” and can shoot the lights out. Like when does it end with you people.
