Proof of how the education system is failing miserably. No one is "assigned" a gender. That fact that anyone can say this and honestly believe it is shocking. They are not women. They are men. It doesn't make what you cut off or add on, or what hormones you take, how you dress, or how you fell. It is not possible to change biology, chromosomes, DNA, etc. and become the opposite sex.
If they are so accepting of this, why did that white woman get in so much trouble a few years ago for presenting herself as a black woman? She felt that was who she was meant to be. Yet she was chastised, publicly shamed and cancelled.
Why was she not strong and brave and supported by the liberal masses?
Is it not the exact same thing?
That’s a really great question. Like all radical ideologies, woke progressivism’s blatant inconsistencies are pretty easy to spot. You’re right, there is really no philosophical reason, why a white woman identifying as black should be ruined and cancelled, while men claiming to be women are hailed as the revolutionary vanguard of a new and better society.
In woke progressivism’s social construct, your race can only be what it is, because it defines the oppressor/oppressed matrix around which society is (or should be) organized. For a white person to claim to be black would be to move her from the oppressor category to the oppressed category on a whim. Woke progressive cannot allow that, because it robs them of a common enemy.
But for a man to become a woman or vice versa? That is just overcoming the tyranny of biology, and religious and patriarchal oppression. That is “becoming”, “reimagining”, or being a “creative force.” That serves to move the revolution forward.
If they are so accepting of this, why did that white woman get in so much trouble a few years ago for presenting herself as a black woman? She felt that was who she was meant to be. Yet she was chastised, publicly shamed and cancelled.
Why was she not strong and brave and supported by the liberal masses?
Is it not the exact same thing?
No, it is self evidently “not the exact same thing”. You can go home now. Come back when you can articulate your thoughts precisely.
If you think I am sympathizing and fighting for this runner and others like him, you've really misread my comments.
Also, the male athlete's comment that he crossed the finish line to win the girls' 400 state championship
"pretending I was running no-man's land in a World War One trench, you know?"
didn't just strike me as a cocksure male "completely making a joke and mockery of the girls he was obliterating" in the girls' race he had just won. The comment also struck me as a coddled contemporary teenager's obvious attempt at making a joke and mockery of what soldiers who fought in the trenches during World War I went through.
I thought this teenager was throwing shade on the millions of young males near his own age who showed enormous bravery and endured incredible hardships and horrors in World War I by likening their experience in trench warfare under machine gun and artillery fire to the painless, easy time he had scoring a victory over girls in a short race run in a stadium in conditions of total safety more than 100 years later.
Whether he meant to or not, the point this kid ended up making is that in his view being a soldier in the trenches of the Somme, Verdun and other WWI battefields was no more difficult than taking a proverbial "walk in the park."
What's more, this young runner chose to make this comment on Memorial Day weekend! Yikes.
How dare you criticize, obtaining his stolen valor from the girl's division was his Vietnam! Or, his Ypres, I guess.
When both veronica garcia,and aayden gallagher start their hormone treatments, theyll be much slower than they are now. Aayden especially,will be interesting to watch. He/she ran 52.8 and 23.8 without even going all out,and after just 3 months of running.She looked like she could run much faster,but was holding back.
So NEITHER ONE have even started any hormone treatments. They were able to show up as straight-up actual men and run a girls race.
And some of you support this? How?
Well, does it matter? One could be on puberty blocker for five years and hormone replacement therapy for three years, and have female range testosterone, and still be crucified on this board.
Same nonsense as those who insist that 1+1=2. Well, not in Base 10 it doesn't. Or "the sun always rises in the east." Well not above the Arctic Circle in winter when it doesn't rise at all. Don't be so binary. There are always exceptions. In the meantime, go ahead and explain why "straight" XYs consider other XYs attractive (i.e., "handsome") which is a thread that has appeared on this message board.
If they are so accepting of this, why did that white woman get in so much trouble a few years ago for presenting herself as a black woman? She felt that was who she was meant to be. Yet she was chastised, publicly shamed and cancelled.
Why was she not strong and brave and supported by the liberal masses?
Is it not the exact same thing?
That’s a really great question. Like all radical ideologies, woke progressivism’s blatant inconsistencies are pretty easy to spot. You’re right, there is really no philosophical reason, why a white woman identifying as black should be ruined and cancelled, while men claiming to be women are hailed as the revolutionary vanguard of a new and better society.
In woke progressivism’s social construct, your race can only be what it is, because it defines the oppressor/oppressed matrix around which society is (or should be) organized. For a white person to claim to be black would be to move her from the oppressor category to the oppressed category on a whim. Woke progressive cannot allow that, because it robs them of a common enemy.
But for a man to become a woman or vice versa? That is just overcoming the tyranny of biology, and religious and patriarchal oppression. That is “becoming”, “reimagining”, or being a “creative force.” That serves to move the revolution forward.
This is correct. Critical Race Theory embraces "strategic essentialism," which allows proponents to have it both ways. They can claim that race is socially constructed but still gatekeep the category. Queer Theory views all non-normative sex & gender expression as liberatory. Normal is bad. Abnormal is good. This is why people keep adding letters and symbols to the LGB acronym--to make room for the new vanguards of anti-normality. We're at the beginning stages of trans being considered too normal and therefore oppressive and in need of deconstruction.
Of course, none of this is rational or makes sense outside of the cultish doctrine upon which it is based.
That’s a really great question. Like all radical ideologies, woke progressivism’s blatant inconsistencies are pretty easy to spot. You’re right, there is really no philosophical reason, why a white woman identifying as black should be ruined and cancelled, while men claiming to be women are hailed as the revolutionary vanguard of a new and better society.
In woke progressivism’s social construct, your race can only be what it is, because it defines the oppressor/oppressed matrix around which society is (or should be) organized. For a white person to claim to be black would be to move her from the oppressor category to the oppressed category on a whim. Woke progressive cannot allow that, because it robs them of a common enemy.
But for a man to become a woman or vice versa? That is just overcoming the tyranny of biology, and religious and patriarchal oppression. That is “becoming”, “reimagining”, or being a “creative force.” That serves to move the revolution forward.
This is correct. Critical Race Theory embraces "strategic essentialism," which allows proponents to have it both ways. They can claim that race is socially constructed but still gatekeep the category. Queer Theory views all non-normative sex & gender expression as liberatory. Normal is bad. Abnormal is good. This is why people keep adding letters and symbols to the LGB acronym--to make room for the new vanguards of anti-normality. We're at the beginning stages of trans being considered too normal and therefore oppressive and in need of deconstruction.
Of course, none of this is rational or makes sense outside of the cultish doctrine upon which it is based.
Well said. I can only hope that, like their kissing cousins the communist revolutionaries, woke progressivism will burn itself out.
This is correct. Critical Race Theory embraces "strategic essentialism," which allows proponents to have it both ways. They can claim that race is socially constructed but still gatekeep the category. Queer Theory views all non-normative sex & gender expression as liberatory. Normal is bad. Abnormal is good. This is why people keep adding letters and symbols to the LGB acronym--to make room for the new vanguards of anti-normality. We're at the beginning stages of trans being considered too normal and therefore oppressive and in need of deconstruction.
Of course, none of this is rational or makes sense outside of the cultish doctrine upon which it is based.
What’s the point of coming up with these useless words? You seem to be quite the sufferer of Stockholm syndrome, having been traumatized by some kind of an HSS education assault weapon in your formative years that you in turn imbibed and now keep trying to wield uselessly and immaturely.
Anyone can make up any BS and no one in the real world cares. If you can’t quantify it, it’s just flatulatory fluff.
If this is true, should we do away with gender categories at the Olympics and just have a single race at each distance? Only those who qualify go, gender is irrelevant as a social construct. 3:34 or so for 1500, right?
If they are so accepting of this, why did that white woman get in so much trouble a few years ago for presenting herself as a black woman? She felt that was who she was meant to be. Yet she was chastised, publicly shamed and cancelled.
Why was she not strong and brave and supported by the liberal masses?
Is it not the exact same thing?
No, it is self evidently “not the exact same thing”. You can go home now. Come back when you can articulate your thoughts precisely.
This is the bit where quickle makes a bold (and false) assertion, can't explain himself and then dodges answering again and again. Providing absolutely nothing of value. JAHJ at least has the intellectual capacity to defend his positions. So (quick disclaimer- everybody knows you can't and won't answer this and a dodge is incoming, but always good to watch you squirm) why is Eddie Izzard- who has never experienced being a female- going about with giant fake breasts, high heels, lipstick and a miniskirt and claiming female identity, any different from Rachel Dolezal- who has never experienced being black- going about with frizzy hair, hoop earrings and claiming black identity? Why is one delusion more valid than the other?
So NEITHER ONE have even started any hormone treatments. They were able to show up as straight-up actual men and run a girls race.
And some of you support this? How?
In some states,they can,and do. Apparently in high school all an athlete needs to do is say she's trans,and that's enough.
That should be enough. Further someone gender fluid can change throughout the day.
All you need is to feel a different gender and you are that gender. No need for surgery or hormones, gender is not tied to sex and outside of reproduction and select other medical phenomenon all expressions of male or female are just gender.
I am tired of reading the post of people who want to deal with this issue by screaming words like "woke" and "progressive". This is simply a fundamental fairness issue. Spike technology has come a long way, but I think everyone would agree that a person wearing shoes that are little more than springs with strings has a distinct advantage against someone wearing a regular paid of spikes. Hell, they refused to certify John Carlos' world record in the 200m because he was wearing a pair of Puma bush spikes. And so it is with trans women competing against biological females. World Athletics, and other Olympic federations, have struck a balance that should be followed on the high school and college levels, but In the end it is the female athletes themselves who have the power to change this situation. They will need to stand up and say "we won't compete against former males". They will need to learn from the civil rights workers who sat at lunch counters to protest segregation, while knowing they would be arrested, after being beaten, by the police. I guarantee state federations and school boards would adopt the Olympic policy if natural females walked off the starting line every time they were asked to compete against a trans person.
I am tired of reading the post of people who want to deal with this issue by screaming words like "woke" and "progressive". This is simply a fundamental fairness issue. Spike technology has come a long way, but I think everyone would agree that a person wearing shoes that are little more than springs with strings has a distinct advantage against someone wearing a regular paid of spikes. Hell, they refused to certify John Carlos' world record in the 200m because he was wearing a pair of Puma bush spikes. And so it is with trans women competing against biological females. World Athletics, and other Olympic federations, have struck a balance that should be followed on the high school and college levels, but In the end it is the female athletes themselves who have the power to change this situation. They will need to stand up and say "we won't compete against former males". They will need to learn from the civil rights workers who sat at lunch counters to protest segregation, while knowing they would be arrested, after being beaten, by the police. I guarantee state federations and school boards would adopt the Olympic policy if natural females walked off the starting line every time they were asked to compete against a trans person.
I see what you're saying, but you really don't understand. It really is true that "wokeness," which I will define as a fusion of postmodern and critical theories, has percolated through academia since the 1960s, creating a lot of the strange cultural phenomena we see today in the culture wars.
This is significant because these theories have led actual credentialed scientists and medical professionals to adopt the anti-scientific belief that sex is mostly a social convention and not an objective fact that exists independent of culture. Female athletes cannot band together to stop the encroachment of males if females are not recognized as a distinct class of humans in law and culture, or if young females are taught that femaleness is a White, cis-heteropatriarchal norm.
In short, the very existence of natural females is increasingly rejected by the institutions responsible for regulating sport at all levels. "Wokeness," as I've said before is not a left/right phenomenon. It's a quasi-religious, anti-liberal doctrine that has slowly gained ground because it appeals to the egalitarian, post-Christian elites (descendents of Puritans and Quakers) who created and populate our knowledge-making institutions.
Truth is no longer thought to be public or, in many instances, self-evident. It's imposed from above by those who want to signal their status and virtue by asserting bizarre dogmas, such as the belief that the West made up the concept of biological sex. Unless people confront this nonsense and label it for what it is, it will simply continue.
I am tired of reading the post of people who want to deal with this issue by screaming words like "woke" and "progressive". This is simply a fundamental fairness issue. Spike technology has come a long way, but I think everyone would agree that a person wearing shoes that are little more than springs with strings has a distinct advantage against someone wearing a regular paid of spikes. Hell, they refused to certify John Carlos' world record in the 200m because he was wearing a pair of Puma bush spikes. And so it is with trans women competing against biological females. World Athletics, and other Olympic federations, have struck a balance that should be followed on the high school and college levels, but In the end it is the female athletes themselves who have the power to change this situation. They will need to stand up and say "we won't compete against former males". They will need to learn from the civil rights workers who sat at lunch counters to protest segregation, while knowing they would be arrested, after being beaten, by the police. I guarantee state federations and school boards would adopt the Olympic policy if natural females walked off the starting line every time they were asked to compete against a trans person.
It’s funny when folks here so easily assume the girls must surely want what they are supposedly exhorting for the girls’ sake on some anonymous incelforum.
You are right that the “female athletes.. have the power to change this situation”. That should tell you something.
I am tired of reading the post of people who want to deal with this issue by screaming words like "woke" and "progressive". This is simply a fundamental fairness issue. Spike technology has come a long way, but I think everyone would agree that a person wearing shoes that are little more than springs with strings has a distinct advantage against someone wearing a regular paid of spikes. Hell, they refused to certify John Carlos' world record in the 200m because he was wearing a pair of Puma bush spikes. And so it is with trans women competing against biological females. World Athletics, and other Olympic federations, have struck a balance that should be followed on the high school and college levels, but In the end it is the female athletes themselves who have the power to change this situation. They will need to stand up and say "we won't compete against former males". They will need to learn from the civil rights workers who sat at lunch counters to protest segregation, while knowing they would be arrested, after being beaten, by the police. I guarantee state federations and school boards would adopt the Olympic policy if natural females walked off the starting line every time they were asked to compete against a trans person.
It’s funny when folks here so easily assume the girls must surely want what they are supposedly exhorting for the girls’ sake on some anonymous incelforum.
You are right that the “female athletes.. have the power to change this situation”. That should tell you something.
You’re right I’m sure the girls enjoy being beaten badly by a man. I mean who wouldn’t? In fact, I’m sure the best girl boxer in the world would love to fight Oleksandr Usyk.
The point isn't whether it is new. There are many, many different cultural identities, mores, and behaviors that have been asserted over history but that doesn't justify them, nor does novelty. The question here is whether a) society ought to accept that someone can become male or female i) simply by saying so, ii) through hormones or hormone suppressants, or iii) through surgery or a combination of surgery and hormones, b) whether society should alter its understanding of who can share bathrooms and locker rooms, c) whether society should alter its forms of speech to accommodate such individuals, and d) whether society should admit such individuals into whatever category of sport and other competition that they desire. Very few people accept d, a few more accept b, and more still accept c. On a sports website, d is most relevant and least accepted.
It’s funny when folks here so easily assume the girls must surely want what they are supposedly exhorting for the girls’ sake on some anonymous incelforum.
You are right that the “female athletes.. have the power to change this situation”. That should tell you something.
You’re right I’m sure the girls enjoy being beaten badly by a man. I mean who wouldn’t? In fact, I’m sure the best girl boxer in the world would love to fight Oleksandr Usyk.
Sounds like you don’t disagree with anything I actually said.
