Overtraining can increase the risk of mono (Epstein-Barr) and its recurrence. Jerry overtrains his guys, esp. freshmen ramping way, way up over high school.
Devastating Femur Stress Fracture for Simeon Birnbaum
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For "Africans", I have no idea. But I just did a basic/cursory internet search re. Vitamin D blood levels in Kenya and saw in one particular study revealed that the mean Vitamin D blood level among a Kenyan population was 65.5 (+/-) ng/mL . This is WAY better (IMHO) than the various studies from USA which show mean vitamin D levels (among adults) are around 28 (+/-) ng/mL. These are in general populations.
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A few things:
1) This just sucks. Seeing a 3:37 high schooler run 3:40 something and then get injured is about as bad an opening season as I could have predicted.
2) I don't understand Jerry or UO at all. I continue to be baffled about what is going on in Eugene. Like what is the plan? They have serious talent on paper but seem to either keep them stabled or get them hurt. Does the athletic director care that they have almost no results since Jerry took over?
3) I like Birnbaum's lofty goals. While I think some people have honed in on the "Olympics or bust" comment, I like that kind of mentality. He's a big talent and was probably thinking, or at least dreaming, he could pull a Cole Hocker.
4) Lots of decisions to make of Birnbaum. He can stick it out at UO and trust that Jerry will eventually get him right and make him into Evan Jager or he can hop in the transfer portal and link up with Andy Powell (or whoever he feels is best). Let's remember that plenty of talented freshman have issues their freshman year (Webb, Kessler as a pro, and even Sahlamn wasn't totally up to it last year) and have turned it around. I really hope whatever Simeon chooses, his running comes back to form and he doesn't become a Michael Slagowski type.
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I think a large part of the problem is that most athletes and coaches are completely uneducated as how to optimize body composition for sport in a healthy, sustainable manner. A lot of time, runners would be a lot better off doing a body recomposition then trying to get to "race weight". Doing freqent resistance training would allow for stimaltanous fat loss and muscle gain. Resistance training tears down muscles --->In order to build them back up the body utilizes carbohydrates and protein → Due to using increasing amount of dietary carbohydrate in building muscle, body becomes more dependent on fat utilization for aerobic exercise ---> Body’s ability and oxidize fat improves in response to endurance training as a result of increased lipolytic enzymes, CPT-1 transportation, increased intramuscular triglycerides and increased adipose tissue blood flow
= Increased lean mass & reduced fat mass
All without the use of resistive caloric deficits!
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That is a great point tbh. From personal experience I have never had femur issues, and fall 2022 I started doing workouts in the vaporfly 2s. BOOM femur stress reaction, out indoor and outdoor.
However I'm no expert but I do know over striding has an effect on the hips quads and femurs, and vaporflys can kinda promote that.
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Less calories has a v big effect on stress bone injuries
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The people talking about cutting weight being normal are off it on this one.
This might apply to older professional athletes but is totally irrelevant when we're talking about someone so young.
The guy needs to be eating as much good quality food and nutrients as he can. Most of his non running time should be spent eating and hydrating for his next run.
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Why wouldn't he just hop into the transfer portal and get himself to Mike Smith at NAU? Isn't that what the portal is for, so athletes can find a better fitting program (perhaps one where he is allowed to race and not get run into the ground)?
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oaclover44422 wrote:
The people talking about cutting weight being normal are off it on this one.
This might apply to older professional athletes but is totally irrelevant when we're talking about someone so young.
The guy needs to be eating as much good quality food and nutrients as he can. Most of his non running time should be spent eating and hydrating for his next run.
Sounds like he's not getting very good guidance at Oregon and should look elsewhere.yeah he's too young for that kind of talk. plenty of time to consider manipulating weight when you're a seasoned professional (if he even makes it that far). walking around campus, getting all the schoolwork done requires energy in of itself. forget the running even.
he and Burns strike me as kids who were hellbent on going to UO because of the brand (and Jerry's connection to Nike and Bowerman) rather than evaluating whether it was the best fit for them personally. they also likely wanted to go to a school together. The program still has that aura of prestige (which imo is slipping away quickly) that many other programs (that are probably better choices for them) don't have. Listen to a few mins of their podcasts with The Running Effect (then turn them off and do anything else bc they are all terrible)- not the most analytical or mature sounding guys.
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The Original Poster wrote:
Have there been any studies on the relationship between super shoes and femoral stress fractures? It seems that femoral stress fractures were very rare 10-15 years ago and are prevalent now. On the flip side, fractures in the lower leg (tibia/fibula) seem to be less common.
On a related note, I hear a lot about haglund's deformity but don't hear about compartment syndrome anymore.
Good topic. I'm sure there are some studies, but are we still too early on in the super shoe era to have any long term data? I read an article recently where a physical therapist was suggesting more of the stress of running was being shifted from lower leg to upper leg/hip due to these shoes. It will be very interesting to see the long term impact.
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rojo wrote:
This thread disgusts me. A college freshman gets a very common injury - stress fracture and all the armchair experts immediately blame the coach.
Experience showed me the following
1)Stress fractures for distance runners, particularly those not done growing are common.
2) Yes injuries can be the result of training mistakes - too much intensity - but often times it has little to do with the training - people are either injury prone or not. I had a guy come into Cornell who had like 3 stress fractures before he even got there. We barely ran him - like 30 or 40 mpw and he was still injured all the time.
The reality is Jerry's own son has been injured a TON in his life. Same thing with agent Tom Ratcliffe's son. If there was a secret to keep people from being injured, I've long joked they'd have used it on their own offspring or had the coaches at Stanford do it.
3) When I was at Cornell and a young guy got injured I'd always tell them, "I think having a little adversity in your career will ultimately prove to be beneficial. When everything goes perfectly well, you don't appreciate how the #1 thing in running is staying healthy. Now you will realize it and appreciate it when you are healthy."
Best of luck to him. I think he's going to be a monster. I also think it's not really a big loss as he wasn't making the Olympic team this year. It's a big loss for Oregon developing momentum however.
So why are you no longer coaching at Cornell?
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