Biological male wins girls' New England high jump title

These people have all made their medical history completely public and we can authenticate it to know that they never experienced ANY moment of male puberty?

No. But that NJ kid had her first puberty blocker at age 10 1/2. There is a photo of her showing her arm after the first shot on her mother's FB page. The teen in FL also had her first blocker at age 11 and cross hormone at age 14. (This is based on media reporting.) The other three all started medical transitioning before puberty, according to media reporting, although no specific age is given.

It does not make sense to assume that this kid had any benefit of male puberty simply because she won. There are many cis girls at her age who can jump higher. Vashti jumped 20cm higher at her age. What advantage did she have?

You keep making posts based on the premise that the only reason males have an advantage over females in sports is the host of testosterone-driven physical changes that males go through during and after male puberty of adolescence.

When the reality is that this is only part of the explanation.

Males have an advantage over females in sports also because as males, they do not go through any aspect of female development ever!

None of the males put on GnRH and testosterone blockers as preteens that you insist should be competing in female sports have ever had to - nor will they ever have to - deal with any of the pesky aspects of human female biology that many female athletes find are huge hindrances in sport.

Even if they take regular doses of Big Pharma estrogen and progesterone, none of these males will ever have to concern themselves with much less actually deal with the massive physical, psychhological and social effects of the ovulation-menstruation cycle, periods, period and ovulation pain, menstrual irregularity and unpredictability, period-related anemia, period stigma and shaming, embarrassing period leaks, fear of unwanted pregnancy, pregnancy scares, pregnancy, miscarriage, abortion, TTC, tokophobia, labor and childbirth, childbirth injuries and trauma, breastfeeding, weaning, perimenopause, menopause.

The average and median age for girls to start their periods is 12. If the 17 year-old who recently won the girls’ high jump at the New England Championships were female and had normal female development, then the massive hormonal fluctuations of the ovrulation-menstruation cycle, periods and the disadvantages that come with them would have been part of the athlete’s ongoing “lived experience” for the past five years.

But since the 17 year-old who won the 2024 NE high school girls' high jump championship is a male, none of that has ever been any bother or hindrance for him. Nor will any of those pain-in-the-arse issues ever be experiences he has to concern himself with.

Also, if you are going to continue to focus solely on the part of the male sports advantage that can be attributed exclusively to those aspects of male development which come from male testosterone levels during puberty, then at least be honest:

Puberty of adolescence is only the second testosterone-driven puberty that male human beings go through. The first one is male mini puberty of infancy - a crucial phase in male development that occurs in the first year after birth, typically starting four weeks after birth.

During male mini puberty of infancy, which lasts anywhere from four to nine months, baby boys’ testes pump out so much testosterone that the levels of T in their blood are as high as they'll be later on during puberty of adolescence and adulthood.

I highly doubt that any of the males you are so desperate to force into female sports by hell or highwater were put on the GnRHa drugs that are now used as "puberty blockers" in kids with sex/gender distress and confusion before they began male puberty of infancy. For that to have happened, it would mean their parents/guardians decided their baby boys were "transgender" shortly after birth, then found a doctor who thought it wise to put healthy but defenseless infants on heavy-duty drugs developed to treat end-stage prostate cancer before the babies were four weeks old.

Another important point you keep overlooking is this: many of the distinctly male physical features caused by male development that account for a major part of the male advantage in sports are not solely the result of male testosterone during puberty of adolescence. They are the result of testosterone + male genetics working in tandem, or of male genetics alone, across the male life cycle including adolescence.

The fact that a lot of male development which contributes to the male sports advantage is the result of male genetics and male genetics alone was proven by the castrati of centuries past.

The castrati typically had their testicles cut off when they were 7, 8, 9 or 10 - so none of them went through the testosterone-driven aspects of male puberty of adolescence.

Yet the castrati all grew extremely tall even for men - and they all developed lungs, chests, rib cages, throats, shoulders as large and powerful as other men anyways.

The castrati’s lack of testosterone caused them to have diminished bone density, but none of them developed skeletons shaped like women’s. None of them developed a female pelvis and female Q angle - which are two of the biggest drawbacks for females compared to males when it comes to running, jumping and kicking and having greater vulnerability to lower limb problems such as ACL tears, ankle sprains and knee injuries.

None of the castrati grew a uterus and ovaries, either. Just as none of today's trans-identified males who had their testosterone blocked at age 10, 11, 12 ever will no matter how much Big Pharma estrogen and progesterone they take.

Today, even practitioners of “gender medicine” have admitted that putting male children on GnRa blockers to stop their testosterone production does not stop them developing in distinctly male ways - and it does not cause them to develop any of the distinctly female characteristics that hinder so many girls and women in sports.

To wit, the 2022 paper: "Transgender Girls Grow Tall: Adult Height Is Unaffected by GnRH Analogue and Estradiol Treatment" says plainly that putting preteen boys on "puberty blockers" followed by hefty amounts of regular Big Pharma estrogen "doesn't work" to prevent them from growing to normal adult male height as gender vendor clinicians originally expected - and as these clinicians probably misled these poor boys and their parents to believe it would.

academic.oup.com

Transgender Girls Grow Tall: Adult Height Is Unaffected by GnRH Analogue and Estradiol Treatment

AbstractContext. Transgender adolescents can receive gonadotropin-releasing hormone analogues (GnRH) and gender-affirming hormone therapy (GAHT), but little is

Link:academic.oup.com/jcem/article/107/9/e3...

I would say they should be given full and equal access to 99% of the things we all value. The 1% are things where biological women are innately at a disadvantage (such as pull-up competitions, boxing matches, cycling, swimming, etc.).

I support trans rights (and have always considered myself a liberal on this issue) but they should NOT be allow into women's athletic competitions for obvious reasons that reasonable people see and understand.

No. No.

Just replace "transgender kids" with trans identified males to make it crystal clear who we are talking about.

Trans identified males and their activists expect women and girls to be their mental health support system in the form of unfair competition.

#NoThankYou

#FairSportForWomen

Gaines didn't make anything up. There was plenty of video, which many of us have seen.

"Yeah, people like Billie Jean King, Megan Rapinoe, and Candace Parker have no care for sports. And of course, Women's Sports Foundation has no interest in sports."

And there are plenty more women athletes who don't support this. Megan climbed to the top and then pulled the ladder up behind her. How sporting! Rapinoe has experience losing to high school boys at the height of her career, so she knows exactly what's at stake for the women athletes she left behind. She also knows that her future income as a commentator, etc., is dead if she doesn't bow down to trans identified males and their pals.

My dog has more integrity than she ever will.

I think you’ve illuminated one of the biggest problems with the anti-trans issue.

Saying someone should be seen as a woman 99% of the time but not 100% is very telling. Everyone opposed to transgenderism is somewhere on the spectrum of 0-99% acceptance of their womanhood or manhood. This is the same kind of rationale that kept women from voting for centuries. It’s the same rationale that consider anyone with African heritage 3/5ths of a person.

When someone transitions to being a woman, they are a woman 100%. That includes running, jumping, and doing pull ups.

People who understand the fact that biologic females are placed at a significant unfair competitive disadvantage, other than the disingenuous transgender athletes themselves, would not support this. Do you have any documentation of someone saying that I completely understand that this puts biological females at a significant competitive disadvantage, but that is not as important as allowing transgender females to compete against biologic females? I'm democratic leaning, but I'm strongly against this situation, because I get it. I believe that the vast majority of rational thinking democrats, republicans, or any reasonable human would think the same way, given the facts of the situation as well. If not, I guess I'm not quite as Dim.

They aren’t and never will be women, even if everyone calls them a woman, even if they are allowed to dominate women’s sports, even if the whole world agrees that they are 100% women. They still aren’t women. That’s the truth.

This has been mentioned but it bears repeating. Males get some sort of advantage from being exposed to hormones. Even if they take meds. I suppose the extent of the advantage is pretty variable. But none of these transgender women have to go through female puberty. Athletes and coaches fight to prevent or postpone this because they know that their athletic performance will be affected. Underweight and under fueled women will be injury prone. I have heard other girls telling teammates that their junior years are going to suck and they just need to deal with it. Some do but others are discouraged and quit. Women peak later. In their 20’s. Transgender women do not have this and have a big advantage over women at this stage of their lives.

Lots of people have genetic advantages but do these athletes have an unfair advantage?

They aren’t 100% woman when they have to get a colonoscopy to have their prostate checked and when the doctor checks their testes for testicular cancer.

Why so much attention paid to trans people by the men of Letsrun? What are you afraid of guys?

Outside from male puberty, males are genetically gifted with (in general) longer limbs, more powerful and larger muscles, narrower hips, larger blood volume (better ability to transport oxygen) and many other innate characteristics that someone born as a female does not possess. When an anthropologist examines the skeleton of a “transgender woman”, they can immediately determine if the person was male or female, regardless of any puberty blockers that may have been taken.

Most decent men desire to protect women and innately understand that women deserve their own competitive spaces without male participation.

It’s not fear. It’s trying to figure out how the absurdity that allows men to compete in women’s sports is remotely acceptable to anyone let alone a good portion of the population.

sorry, that's beyond stupid. the facts DO NOT support transitioning reducing or preventing suicides.

But they literally aren't 100% women because being a woman is not just a "social construct"; it is also a biological reality.

The women on my high school, college, and post college teams have had anemia, pregnancies, stress fractures, anorexia, breast cancer, painful periods, bleeding/spotting during competition, urinary track infections, smaller lungs, smaller hearts, migraines, cramps, and the biomechanics of hips that a boy will never have even if they transition to being a woman.

I am fine with people living their lives however they want but that doesn't include "ruining it for others." Don't people ask themselves, "is this fair and sportsmanlike to the others?" Do they ask themselves that?