Please elaborate. These hints of female runners having eating disorders always baffle me. Bulimia is something that I understand. But the hints of just not eating enough and calling that a disorder are ridiculous.
I direct you to Allie Ostrander’s YouTube channel, where she goes into her experiences with ED, particularly how it related to her ‘elite’ running.
She is a narcissist. I am not interested in giving her a click. That is like directing someone to George Santos' Youtube channel for information about something. I am interested in research papers or articles.
In Jake Wightman’s video, one of the benefits of Cross-Training (on the elliptical in his case) was the ability to more easily modulate Heart Rate intensity. He said that at his Cross-Training intensity on the elliptical, 10hrs/wk provided a running equivalent of 90 miles.
Wightman was using Cross-Training for rehab purposes, and he kind of describes it as a ‘s***-fest’, and seemed to indicate he looked forward to getting back to replacing it with actual running again.
In this example, was he replacing all of his runs with the elliptical? There's a difference between cross-training 100% because you're injured and what Valby is doing. Maybe that's why her training seems so unbelievable, because we've been conditioned to just see cross-training as what we do when we are injured and can't run, but she's actually using it to improve her running.
1) Over 99% of global citizens are not capable of logging more than 30 miles per week without breaking down with an injury. Gals & guys who can log high mileage without injuries are not the norm.
2) Many or most female high school and college runners break down and suffer injuries past 30 miles per week.
3) Most high school and college female runners are not allowed by coaching staff to race unless said athletes return to full practice load. There are so many Park Valby-types basically kicked out of the sport because many talented female endurance athletes cannot run 5 or 6 days a week without breaking down from injuries.
4) I skimmed all five pages, no one has mentioned bone density. We don't know her bone density.
5) It has been noted on other threads that Parker Valby was a swimmer prior to 9th grade high school. Hours in the pool are like weightless hours in a non-gravity environment. A bit of chicken-egg. Are good swimmers good swimmers because they naturally have lower bone density or do many hours in the pool from age 2 to adult lower bone density?
Will 19:xx, 20:xx and 21:xx high school female 5K XC runners be allowed to train in a similar manner to Parker Valby? I hope so. Will 18:xx, 19:xx and 20:xx female college 5K XC runners be allowed to train like P Valby? I hope so. My years of observation, high school coaches have not been flexible. Did U. of Florida only make an exception for Parker Valby years ago because she was a 16:xx 5K XC runner?
In Jake Wightman’s video, one of the benefits of Cross-Training (on the elliptical in his case) was the ability to more easily modulate Heart Rate intensity. He said that at his Cross-Training intensity on the elliptical, 10hrs/wk provided a running equivalent of 90 miles.
Wightman was using Cross-Training for rehab purposes, and he kind of describes it as a ‘s***-fest’, and seemed to indicate he looked forward to getting back to replacing it with actual running again.
In this example, was he replacing all of his runs with the elliptical? There's a difference between cross-training 100% because you're injured and what Valby is doing. Maybe that's why her training seems so unbelievable, because we've been conditioned to just see cross-training as what we do when we are injured and can't run, but she's actually using it to improve her running.
Yes. Thanks for all of the insight. I have read many articles and have reached a different conclusion than you have. Thinner is better for distance runners until a runner gets injured. It is a fine balance. Some runners can survive on few little calories and never get injured. The more someone runs, the thinner they become because it it the bodies way of being efficient just as lifting weights causes muscles to increase in size. The body adapts.
Will 19:xx, 20:xx and 21:xx high school female 5K XC runners be allowed to train in a similar manner to Parker Valby? I hope so. Will 18:xx, 19:xx and 20:xx female college 5K XC runners be allowed to train like P Valby? I hope so. My years of observation, high school coaches have not been flexible. Did U. of Florida only make an exception for Parker Valby years ago because she was a 16:xx 5K XC runner?
This is why I'm so excited by her training. I was one of those runners (mostly 19:xx as a college freshman, then started getting injured by sophomore year). There were other contributing factors to getting injured in the first place, but no real plan to recover and get better. I was left to my own devices even as far as cross-training while injured. Then once the prescribed 6-8 weeks was up, I was thrown back into 60-70+ mpw and surprise, kept getting injured.
In this example, was he replacing all of his runs with the elliptical? There's a difference between cross-training 100% because you're injured and what Valby is doing. Maybe that's why her training seems so unbelievable, because we've been conditioned to just see cross-training as what we do when we are injured and can't run, but she's actually using it to improve her running.
That is what is hard to buy.
this is what is so unbelievable and why people were questioning her results last year. look at her versus asekol, tyynismaa (uber talented runner), sam bush and scores of others. they have been through injuries and it takes a while to get back to where they are. that is normal. for some reason valby makes a leap forward every time. she is not the only runner who cross trains but her results are very unusual.
this is what is so unbelievable and why people were questioning her results last year. look at her versus asekol, tyynismaa (uber talented runner), sam bush and scores of others. they have been through injuries and it takes a while to get back to where they are. that is normal. for some reason valby makes a leap forward every time. she is not the only runner who cross trains but her results are very unusual.
She sees it as developmental, not just rehabilitative. No reason why not, as long as she is getting the necessary elements of "running" into her program. Agree with txRgirl - might have saved many "injury-prone" runners if they had better knowledge as to the potential benefits of XT. Sometimes the easiest thing is to just get out the door and run, but not necessarily the best way to train for certain people. Of course this is the problem with the "group" mindset of training - that everyone has to be doing the same thing, and in a group to be of benefit. I hear that all the time, both in HS and College, yet wonder why the injury rates in both environments seem high.
Yes. Thanks for all of the insight. I have read many articles and have reached a different conclusion than you have. Thinner is better for distance runners until a runner gets injured. It is a fine balance. Some runners can survive on few little calories and never get injured. The more someone runs, the thinner they become because it it the bodies way of being efficient just as lifting weights causes muscles to increase in size. The body adapts.
This a very dangerous mentality. Once a runner develops an injury due to weight loss caused by restricted and disordered eating, which you seem to be advocating for with your thinner is better comment, the damage to bone density can be very long lasting, often irreversible. The initial injury becomes an injury cycle. Please take some time to learn more about the female athlete triad.
This is why I'm so excited by her training. I was one of those runners (mostly 19:xx as a college freshman, then started getting injured by sophomore year). There were other contributing factors to getting injured in the first place, but no real plan to recover and get better. I was left to my own devices even as far as cross-training while injured. Then once the prescribed 6-8 weeks was up, I was thrown back into 60-70+ mpw and surprise, kept getting injured.
Several of the top HS girls lately are cross trainers. Cook who won Footlocker and set the HS 5000 record is one. She was running around 20 mpw. Leachman who ran a freshman record 9:57 two mile last year copies Valby's training. Hutchins set her records running 5 days a week with cross training the other two days.
All time 5000 records are being set by cross trainers. At this point there are enough examples to make it clear that it is not just a coincidence.
This is why I'm so excited by her training. I was one of those runners (mostly 19:xx as a college freshman, then started getting injured by sophomore year). There were other contributing factors to getting injured in the first place, but no real plan to recover and get better. I was left to my own devices even as far as cross-training while injured. Then once the prescribed 6-8 weeks was up, I was thrown back into 60-70+ mpw and surprise, kept getting injured.
Several of the top HS girls lately are cross trainers. Cook who won Footlocker and set the HS 5000 record is one. She was running around 20 mpw. Leachman who ran a freshman record 9:57 two mile last year copies Valby's training. Hutchins set her records running 5 days a week with cross training the other two days.
All time 5000 records are being set by cross trainers. At this point there are enough examples to make it clear that it is not just a coincidence.
Of course cross-training works. Question of the day: How many coaches will allow their female XC and T&F athletes to race when said female runners only run three runs per week?
Several of the top HS girls lately are cross trainers. Cook who won Footlocker and set the HS 5000 record is one. She was running around 20 mpw. Leachman who ran a freshman record 9:57 two mile last year copies Valby's training. Hutchins set her records running 5 days a week with cross training the other two days.
All time 5000 records are being set by cross trainers. At this point there are enough examples to make it clear that it is not just a coincidence.
Of course cross-training works. Question of the day: How many coaches will allow their female XC and T&F athletes to race when said female runners only run three runs per week?
good post. and then: How many female HS or college women runners will be able to buck peer pressure by not running with the team? And how many will actually do the intense cross training work on their own? Not a lot of people I think.
Of course cross-training works. Question of the day: How many coaches will allow their female XC and T&F athletes to race when said female runners only run three runs per week?
good post. and then: How many female HS or college women runners will be able to buck peer pressure by not running with the team? And how many will actually do the intense cross training work on their own? Not a lot of people I think.
I didn't read Lauren Fleshman's book on how to reform running for young women but maybe this is one way to improve it: Somehow make it ok for coaches and athletes to run fewer days and sub in cross training, to keep the athletes healthier.
I have no idea- anyone have any theories? Why does she get injured so much more than many others? I know can be part of the sport but she seems to be more injury prone than most
Probably because she is as "injury prone" as the normal, not fast person. In spite of the clowns on here claiming anyone can do high mileage if they build up slowly, most people will end up injured if they try to run 20 miles per week. The ability to run 80-100 miles per week injury free is largely genetic, and those who can benefit from it.
Agreed with this. Almost everyone I know at the running club has had multiple injuries, and those are the ones who haven't quit.
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