Some mid D guys cannot break 30min for 8k, so therefore running a tempo at 6:15-6:20 not that bad
Not at the D1 level (or D2 or high D3). Come on, a low 1:50s 800 guy is probably doing some of his weekly long runs at 6:20 pace. It’s not a tempo run by any stretch.
I saw at D1 level mid D 400m/800m guys running 30 minutes for 8K XC probably because they didn’t give a sh*t.
See the second link above. See the last sentence of page 4 of 4 pages of the second link. The honest effort wasn’t there at this race, but it sounds like neither was a referee.
You should have just inserted the quote of the rule they broke. Copy paste is your friend.
In your original post, you could have given a brief one sentance summary of what happened. Many people have no idea what you are talking about. What meet is this, who was there, did princeton bring their A team, how slow did they jog it? etc.
You should also spell out your ucommon accronyms, what is a HYP meet? I googled HYP, and HYP NCAA, ad HYP cross country, etc and literally got zero hits.
You sound as lazy as Priceton was at this meet (although we can't be sure because we still don't know what happened). We ought to have rules about "honest effort" letsrun posts.
That said from the very little content you did describe, sounds like Princeton did break the rules if say they all jogged an 8k in well over 30 minutes for example.
I saw at D1 level mid D 400m/800m guys running 30 minutes for 8K XC probably because they didn’t give a sh*t.
Just to be clear, this was a 6k. The 8k comp would be closer to 34/35 min. And this isn't lower tier D1. I understand what you're saying as I have seen that too, but these are much higher level athletes than that.
See the second link above. See the last sentence of page 4 of 4 pages of the second link. The honest effort wasn’t there at this race, but it sounds like neither was a referee.
You should have just inserted the quote of the rule they broke. Copy paste is your friend.
In your original post, you could have given a brief one sentance summary of what happened. Many people have no idea what you are talking about. What meet is this, who was there, did princeton bring their A team, how slow did they jog it? etc.
You should also spell out your ucommon accronyms, what is a HYP meet? I googled HYP, and HYP NCAA, ad HYP cross country, etc and literally got zero hits.
You sound as lazy as Priceton was at this meet (although we can't be sure because we still don't know what happened). We ought to have rules about "honest effort" letsrun posts.
That said from the very little content you did describe, sounds like Princeton did break the rules if say they all jogged an 8k in well over 30 minutes for example.
HYP= Harvard Yale Princeton (tri*-meet)
6k run in 23-24 minutes by Princeton men, 3-4 minutes off the pace of everyone else in the race and seen laughing through the race
There are minimum requirements for the number of competitions a team needs to compete in order to be eligible for a number of things, but including regionals/nationals. Princeton is claiming they "competed" at this meet and is using it for minimum requirements.
God, I hate explaining things to commoners. The founding fathers had it right, elites only!
I ran the 800 in college and have similar Prs to these guys and I think it's ridiculous what they did. I completely understand the coach not wanting to race his XC specialist in a random early season meet, but the 800 guys could have at least tried. I have run a college fall season where I did not have to run XC as an 800 guy and would typically run around 15:50s for a rust buster 5k. Indoor track does not start until mid-December, their conference meet is not until late February. There is no way racing a 6k would hurt these athletes or effect their training in any way. Princeton rightfully deserves the hate they are getting.
I saw at D1 level mid D 400m/800m guys running 30 minutes for 8K XC probably because they didn’t give a sh*t.
Just to be clear, this was a 6k. The 8k comp would be closer to 34/35 min. And this isn't lower tier D1. I understand what you're saying as I have seen that too, but these are much higher level athletes than that.
Uh yeah if I was a 400m runner I think I'd be fine with a 30minute 8k?
The envious attempts by individuals on this site to mock the Brojos' alma mater are laughable. This is not a real issue. Our team is likely to remain at or near the top of the Ivy League, and this will be forgotten within a week. The young men who participated in this race will earn legitimate degrees, while anonymous individuals will continue to disparage Princeton on countless more LetsRun threads.
I have a quick question. How slow is too slow? If they all ran a minute faster, still too slow? What if they decided to beat one kid? At what point are the other coaches and athletes allowed to feel disrespected? It’s already been explained that Harvard wasn’t running their A team, but no one seems to think that’s disrespectful. But some people think purposefully running slower as a pack is disrespectful. Where do you snowflakes want to draw the line?
I was talking to a college coach once years ago, he’s roughly dumb as a bag of rocks, we’re in his office and he begins bragging about what a strong group he has for the season, and he pulls out the racing schedule, hands it to me. I look at it carefully and I say wow so this is quite a few races you got set up, just curious do any of these matter more than the others?
He pauses, thinks about it, kinda like I’ve just asked a poodle about infinity. Finally he says, well yeah actually, that one with the word championship, down at the bottom of the page! You see it? And I slid the paper back to him across the desk and said, that’s great coach, I saw it I just wanted to make sure you did.
I have a quick question. How slow is too slow? If they all ran a minute faster, still too slow? What if they decided to beat one kid? At what point are the other coaches and athletes allowed to feel disrespected? It’s already been explained that Harvard wasn’t running their A team, but no one seems to think that’s disrespectful. But some people think purposefully running slower as a pack is disrespectful. Where do you snowflakes want to draw the line?
Great question and if that was part of the debate, it would have a million posts and be a heated debate right now. What Princeton did isn’t even close to that line for anyone so it not in the conversation.
what i would get out of it is only one team took it seriously, yale, at home, with 8 runners and most of them being people who see regular XC meets. harvard took it less seriously, 5 runners, but they sent actual 5k/10k type people, some with limited XC experience, and they tried and finished individually. but sending 5 guys isn't taking it very seriously. princeton also sent 5 guys but they sent 800m TF folks (and not even their best) with almost no XC experience. they then ran as a group at a modest pace. comparing 800m dudes whose history says they run as short as 500 indoors to 5k/10k guys is a stretch.
the weird thing to me is like the upperclassmen seem to have been on XC for years but never run meets, or at least not many, and they finally give you a meet and you do this. and like 3 are seniors. the XC/TF coach's bio refers to a "JV" and this looks like it was it. i kind of think it's reasonable to use some triangle meet as a JV outing. harvard seemed to do that too but they tried, and their B team had some prior experience and runs the distance in the spring too. and they run this HYP thing as an XC meet and then as indoor TF and both events look like they involve varied sincerity and some JV use. but not some literal message sending full tank.
to me it's either the coach threw a fit over the meet schedule and said guess what, good news, the JV runs, bad news, your orders are to jog it in protest over the date they held this thing. or this is going to be a JV meet but he balks at having his mid-distance guys run full gas with no meet experience. or the people he picked mutinied.
The envious attempts by individuals on this site to mock the Brojos' alma mater are laughable. This is not a real issue. Our team is likely to remain at or near the top of the Ivy League, and this will be forgotten within a week. The young men who participated in this race will earn legitimate degrees, while anonymous individuals will continue to disparage Princeton on countless more LetsRun threads.
Unfortunately correct. It’s up to us on this thread to continue this conversation and make sure athletes know what they are getting into committing to and running for Princeton. Current athletes will keep running, but if the narrative around the program changes, they will struggle recruiting.
That is unless something bad comes for Vig first…………….
The envious attempts by individuals on this site to mock the Brojos' alma mater are laughable. This is not a real issue. Our team is likely to remain at or near the top of the Ivy League, and this will be forgotten within a week. The young men who participated in this race will earn legitimate degrees, while anonymous individuals will continue to disparage Princeton on countless more LetsRun threads.
Unfortunately correct. It’s up to us on this thread to continue this conversation and make sure athletes know what they are getting into committing to and running for Princeton. Current athletes will keep running, but if the narrative around the program changes, they will struggle recruiting.
That is unless something bad comes for Vig first…………….
They will never struggle recruiting as if the coach offered a student a spot, there are only ~4-5 other schools he'd possibly pick over it.
My daughter turned down their offer to run for our state school for free. It wasn't an easy decision but Princeton was $80K last year and likely $90K this year.
They will never struggle recruiting as if the coach offered a student a spot, there are only ~4-5 other schools he'd possibly pick over it.
Other Ivy schools could compete in recruiting if Princeton is viewed unfavorably. Notre Dame, Stanford, Michigan, UNC, UVA, Duke all would be competitive and that is just for kids who favor academics and that’s off the top of my head so apologies to anyone who is left out.
But Moran, let’s be real, if the controversy comes out or god forbid it happens again at Princeton, there is a new coach in a millisecond and the brand name is tarnished. So what’s your challenge on my comment?
The envious attempts by individuals on this site to mock the Brojos' alma mater are laughable. This is not a real issue. Our team is likely to remain at or near the top of the Ivy League, and this will be forgotten within a week. The young men who participated in this race will earn legitimate degrees, while anonymous individuals will continue to disparage Princeton on countless more LetsRun threads.
Unfortunately correct. It’s up to us on this thread to continue this conversation and make sure athletes know what they are getting into committing to and running for Princeton. Current athletes will keep running, but if the narrative around the program changes, they will struggle recruiting.
That is unless something bad comes for Vig first…………….
This thread is so stupid and pointless. There are like maybe 20 people posting on here, most of the haters will never make it to the competitive D1 level. Princeton has made it to Nationals pretty consistently in the recent years, which is more than most Ivy League school can say. Nobody cares besides you miserable kids.
Academics are more demanding, and to be honest these kids place academics at the top of their priority list, that’s why they’re at Princeton.
A few years ago so many people hated on Harvard for wearing super shoes at XC regionals when they were on the road, they felt like the rich cheated their way to the big dance. They ended up taking 15th and all the haters, once again like always, stayed mediocre and mad. Those guys are now either
a) making 150-300k a year
b) running at a elite level
c) going to grad school to continue their privileged generational wealth.
And the haters stay mad and mediocre on this message board. I’m now rooting for Princeton to make it to nationals :) if it will make others piss their pants that will never be on the starting line at NCAA D1 XC nats.
