Clubs banned every woman and person of color, while colleges sought to diversify their student body, the complete antithesis.
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POINTING IT OUT (again) wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Why are people downvoting me when I say all people should be treated equally? Do you not agree that all people should be treated equally?
They're not really down voting your post. They are down voting YOU. Nobody likes you.
Women love me. I routinely get 10s. I doubt you can ever get a 2.
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RossiCheated wrote:
Honest question:
One of the factors of admission is whether the applicant is a legacy. At top-tier schools that overwhelmingly favors white applicants. It also gives a bonus for something that the applicant did nothing to earn. Legacy admits also tend to be among the weaker end of the application pool, on average.
To treat people "equally," would you agree that Legacy Admit consideration should be outlawed?
So admissions depts have been conducting racist (legacy admission) and anti-racist (affirmative action) admissions practices at the same time?
the university is a broken system corrupted by commercialism and greed. They only care about the morally righteous ideologies they tout when it doesn't hurt their profits.
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the truth.. wrote:
If it were 1550, yes, even maybe 1450 (for exceptional circumstances like growing up in a bad project), but 1250 is too low.
I taught in a school where our top kids rarely scored higher than 1200. A kid who scores a 1200 is not illiterate. We had a few "Black and Brown" kids from poor projects who were admitted to Ivy league schools (Brown, Dartmouth, and Columbia) and other highly selective schools. Most did well and were able to climb out of poverty because of affirmative action.
At the same time I hate how "Asian" students are lumped together. Many Asian students in NYC are very poor and live in the same projects.
I'd take poor kids over rich kids anyday even if their scores are 200 points lower.
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458777 wrote:
While we can all agree in a perfect world, one would not be judged on their race and skin color based on entry into schools or places of employment. However in America we have a complete and very long history of doing just that....excluding people based on race, color and I add gender.
As for Affirmative Action, America has had ever since the first European stepped foot on this continent and assumed he was superior to the people already here and that thinking unfortunately has carried on to this very day. Only in the last 45 years or so have institutions and employers tried to consider non whites and women for admission into schools and certain jobs. Now the old white guys think 45 years is too much, as if someone took their spot. I could argue the same since 1619...as millions of white males took my ancestors spots at Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Minorities and women, when given the opportunity in the same environment, perform the same as white males...but with much less prejudice and bias.
I believe AA has been very harmful to blacks in America. It has focused on long ago discrimination rather than fixing the underperforming schools, crime and especially broken or never-formed black families. I live and work in NYC. I work with a black man who recently had to go 1000-miles or so to another state to attend the high school graduation of his son who he has rarely seen through the son's high school years. This son was not attending some elite New England prep school like Deerfield Academy or Choate (I attended an elite university with lots of those kids and they have a different set of issues despite good academic preparation for college); he was in a far-away state probably in some under-performing high school in a mostly black neighborhood. I work with another black man. He's 33 years old, very affable, raps on the side. He's never married but has two kids. And another black male co-worker has four kids but never married. And I could go on and on. I look back in my life and see my father as a hugely important figure. But for so many black children in the USA, dad has been very remote and not the helpful figure that dads in other groups are. This is a current problem, unlike slavery or Jim Crow, and it can and should be fixed.
Circa 1960 in the USA, when direct abortion was rare, about 20% of black babies were born out-of-wedlock, compared with about 6% of white babies.
For 2018, when direct abortion was common, we have the following out-of-wedlock birth rates by race or ethnicity in the USA:
69.4% for blacks
68.2% for American Indians/Alaska Natives, 68.2 percent (Native Hawaiians/Other Pacific Islanders were at 50.4 percent)
58.1 % for Hispanics
28.2% for whites
11.7% for Asians
(39.6% or all groups combined)Those data are from the article linked below, from which I take this paragraph:
"So, we go from seven out of ten for African Americans, to one out of ten for Asian Americans; from a little less than three out of ten for whites, to a little more than five out of ten for Hispanics. As I say, a huge range, and one that more than anything else seems to fit quite precisely with how well the different groups are doing on whatever success metric you want to use."162 -
Thomas takes Jackson and her racist delusions to the wood shed.
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Blind justice wrote:
458777 wrote:
While we can all agree in a perfect world, one would not be judged on their race and skin color based on entry into schools or places of employment. However in America we have a complete and very long history of doing just that....excluding people based on race, color and I add gender.
As for Affirmative Action, America has had ever since the first European stepped foot on this continent and assumed he was superior to the people already here and that thinking unfortunately has carried on to this very day. Only in the last 45 years or so have institutions and employers tried to consider non whites and women for admission into schools and certain jobs. Now the old white guys think 45 years is too much, as if someone took their spot. I could argue the same since 1619...as millions of white males took my ancestors spots at Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Minorities and women, when given the opportunity in the same environment, perform the same as white males...but with much less prejudice and bias.
I believe AA has been very harmful to blacks in America. It has focused on long ago discrimination rather than fixing the underperforming schools, crime and especially broken or never-formed black families. I live and work in NYC. I work with a black man who recently had to go 1000-miles or so to another state to attend the high school graduation of his son who he has rarely seen through the son's high school years. This son was not attending some elite New England prep school like Deerfield Academy or Choate (I attended an elite university with lots of those kids and they have a different set of issues despite good academic preparation for college); he was in a far-away state probably in some under-performing high school in a mostly black neighborhood. I work with another black man. He's 33 years old, very affable, raps on the side. He's never married but has two kids. And another black male co-worker has four kids but never married. And I could go on and on. I look back in my life and see my father as a hugely important figure. But for so many black children in the USA, dad has been very remote and not the helpful figure that dads in other groups are. This is a current problem, unlike slavery or Jim Crow, and it can and should be fixed.
Circa 1960 in the USA, when direct abortion was rare, about 20% of black babies were born out-of-wedlock, compared with about 6% of white babies.
For 2018, when direct abortion was common, we have the following out-of-wedlock birth rates by race or ethnicity in the USA:
69.4% for blacks
68.2% for American Indians/Alaska Natives, 68.2 percent (Native Hawaiians/Other Pacific Islanders were at 50.4 percent)
58.1 % for Hispanics
28.2% for whites
11.7% for Asians
(39.6% or all groups combined)Those data are from the article linked below, from which I take this paragraph:
"So, we go from seven out of ten for African Americans, to one out of ten for Asian Americans; from a little less than three out of ten for whites, to a little more than five out of ten for Hispanics. As I say, a huge range, and one that more than anything else seems to fit quite precisely with how well the different groups are doing on whatever success metric you want to use."I was wondering who would pull out the ole “but I have black friends” line first. Bravo. Congrats.
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Days like these are the only days I ever look at CNN's website. It is funny to see the over-the-top outrage.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Thomas takes Jackson and her racist delusions to the wood shed.
Oooh. Red state.con. I wonder what that site is all about. 😂
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the truth.. wrote:
I read a study that predicted what would happen if colleges banned it. Campuses would end up being around ~47% each white and Asian.
But of course, the "party of science" doesn't want to accept that IQ gaps exist.
I read a study that said they would be 100% Asian.
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SCOTUS got this one correct wrote:
Days like these are the only days I ever look at CNN's website. It is funny to see the over-the-top outrage.
Yes. Living in a bubble is quite healthy. 🤦♂️
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Long Sigh wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Thomas takes Jackson and her racist delusions to the wood shed.
Oooh. Red state.con. I wonder what that site is all about. 😂
Good luck finding Thomas's concurrence on any of the leftist sites you follow...
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It's also harmful to actually qualified (non-Asian) minorities. I know one black person who, if I recall correctly, had a 1590 SAT (maybe 1580? But it was one of the top 20 (tied) in the state so I think it was 1590 or 1600) along with very strong extracurriculars. He was accepted almost everywhere he applied including race-blind places like Caltech and Berkeley. I think he'd have been accepted to most places if he were white or even Asian as well, but there's always that sliver of doubt that it wasn't due to merit because things like affirmative action existed
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Asian as wrote:
the truth.. wrote:
I read a study that predicted what would happen if colleges banned it. Campuses would end up being around ~47% each white and Asian.
But of course, the "party of science" doesn't want to accept that IQ gaps exist.
I read a study that said they would be 100% Asian.
If Asians are most deserving, then it should be 100% Asian.
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Sally Vix wrote:
Long Sigh wrote:
This is why packing the court would be a good idea.
Why? Shouldn't everyone be treated equally? You don't think it is a bad idea to discriminate against others?
Harvard was one of the schools in this case. 35% of their admissions are legacy (i.e. daddy or mommy went there). That’s a bigger hurdle for anyone to get admission than affirmative action. I don’t actually disagree with their ruling, but the Court issues very narrow rulings (usually), and this one doesn’t make college admissions ‘equal’.
How do you think the Supreme Court would rule if someone sued saying they were denied admission so a less qualified student could get in ‘whose qualifications were that his parents went to Harvard’?
In order for admissions to be equal, there should be equality in the public school system. Funding for schools in poor neighborhoods is way less than richer ones, automatically putting those students at a disadvantage.
Not to mention that test scores reflect who has access to test prep courses that are nothing more than test coaching. Scoring high on the SAT, ACT or any other standardized test only means you’re good at taking tests, or were trained for the test. Not more qualified or more intelligent.This post was edited 1 minute after it was posted.36 -
"Biden administration has been discussing contingency plans on affirmative action" - despite the fact that majorities of all racial groups don't support 'race or ethnicity' being used as a factor.
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PCRF-Guy wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Why? Shouldn't everyone be treated equally? You don't think it is a bad idea to discriminate against others?
Scoring high on the SAT, ACT or any other standardized test only means you’re good at taking tests, or were trained for the test. Not more qualified or more intelligent.
This is blatantly false. Standardized tests, though not as much recently, still are g-loaded and strongly correlate with IQ.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Thomas takes Jackson and her racist delusions to the wood shed.
Clarence Thomas?
The lack of self-awareness is staggering.
Does he not understand that he was the ultimate "minority hire" and beneficiary of affirmative action?
If anyone thinks he was THE MOST qualified person who could have been nominated for the Supreme Court... my goodness.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Long Sigh wrote:
Oooh. Red state.con. I wonder what that site is all about. 😂
Good luck finding Thomas's concurrence on any of the leftist sites you follow...
The Hill, Newsweek, Slate, NBC, WaPo etc. have all reported on it.
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PCRF-Guy wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Why? Shouldn't everyone be treated equally? You don't think it is a bad idea to discriminate against others?
Harvard was one of the schools in this case. 35% of their admissions are legacy (i.e. daddy or mommy went there). That’s a bigger hurdle for anyone to get admission than affirmative action. I don’t actually disagree with their ruling, but the Court issues very narrow rulings (usually), and this one doesn’t make college admissions ‘equal’.
How do you think the Supreme Court would rule if someone sued saying they were denied admission so a less qualified student could get in ‘whose qualifications were that his parents went to Harvard’?
In order for admissions to be equal, there should be equality in the public school system. Funding for schools in poor neighborhoods is way less than richer ones, automatically putting those students at a disadvantage.
Not to mention that test scores reflect who has access to test prep courses that are nothing more than test coaching. Scoring high on the SAT, ACT or any other standardized test only means you’re good at taking tests, or we’re trained for the test. Not more qualified or more intelligent.Money is not the problem with the schools.
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