Precious Roy wrote:
My guess is that MoD forces let Wagner take buildings in Moscow and try to negotiate a resolution.
I don't think a negotiated resolution is realistic. There's no universe in which Prigozhin lives if Putin stays in power.
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Timothy Foyle wrote:
Cold War Warrior1 wrote:
Up until about 30 or 40 hours ago were Wagner Group funded by Russia?
Civil war? Does this feel like a civil war? Have Wagner Group promised pure socialism to the people of Russia? Have Wagner Group promised to take Putin's riches and distribute Putin's wealth among Russian citizens? Hearts & Minds. How are Wagner Group going to win the loyalty of Russian people?
I type the words Central Intelligence Agency Rojo on other threads and my post gets deleted or thread gets deleted. Rojo, do you believe U.S. Central Intelligence Agency are funding Wagner Group? If Central Intelligence Agency are not funding Wagner Group and Wagner Group were funded by Russia as recently as 30 or 40 hours ago, who is funding Wagner Group?
Oh yes, the old "The Americans (CIA) are behind EVERYTHING" routine.
I can hardly wait for you to declare, "It's the Jews!"
What do you believe C.I.A. has been up to over the past year or so? Russia/Ukraine is the biggest ball game for C.I.A. at this time.
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Real Obvi wrote:
joedlrt wrote:
This isn’t good for anybody. How certain are we that the devil we know is worse than the devil we don’t know. Putin was fairly logical in his behavior. The Ukraine war was never about Ukraine. It was about paying off COVID debts by manipulating energy markets. The world was close enough to a nuclear war already, this just heightens the risk. They moved a number of tactical nukes into Belarus within the past few weeks. How do we know the new guy won’t be inclined to use them?
And another one spouting pure ignorance.
Good job!
Wars are waged for economics, not ideology. The military revolt increases the likelihood of tactical nukes being used, as Wagner is tired of losing men with the kid glove tactics thus far employed. This is going to get ugly.
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Cucking Obvi wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
You are so CUTE!
It's just adorable!
Wife pics, Comrade?
Oh, how adorable!
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Cold War Warrior1 wrote:
Timothy Foyle wrote:
Oh yes, the old "The Americans (CIA) are behind EVERYTHING" routine.
I can hardly wait for you to declare, "It's the Jews!"
What do you believe C.I.A. has been up to over the past year or so? Russia/Ukraine is the biggest ball game for C.I.A. at this time.
Yes, if the CIA had a hand in this then they are actually doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing, unlike many other federal agencies.
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The "#2 army in the world" is now the #2 army in Russia.
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800 dude wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
My guess is that MoD forces let Wagner take buildings in Moscow and try to negotiate a resolution.
I don't think a negotiated resolution is realistic. There's no universe in which Prigozhin lives if Putin stays in power.
Prigozhin has ordered his forces to turn back from their advance on Moscow. Looks like a deal has already been struck. look for Shoigu or Gerasimov to be relieved of duty and a pro-Wagner general to take over. Prigozhin now owns Putin.
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We need Peter Zeihan's take on this
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Just happened
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Cold War Warrior1 wrote:
Timothy Foyle wrote:
Oh yes, the old "The Americans (CIA) are behind EVERYTHING" routine.
I can hardly wait for you to declare, "It's the Jews!"
What do you believe C.I.A. has been up to over the past year or so? Russia/Ukraine is the biggest ball game for C.I.A. at this time.
Oh yes, certainly the CIA is in charge of Putin's mercenary army. That's for sure.
Oh, and let's not forget about the Jews! We all know that Hitler was just a puppet for the Jews.
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joedlrt wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
And another one spouting pure ignorance.
Good job!
Wars are waged for economics, not ideology. The military revolt increases the likelihood of tactical nukes being used, as Wagner is tired of losing men with the kid glove tactics thus far employed. This is going to get ugly.
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joedlrt wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
And another one spouting pure ignorance.
Good job!
Wars are waged for economics, not ideology. The military revolt increases the likelihood of tactical nukes being used, as Wagner is tired of losing men with the kid glove tactics thus far employed. This is going to get ugly.
While true that all wars are waged for economic reasons, this comment is just some qanon level nonsense.
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joedlrt wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
And another one spouting pure ignorance.
Good job!
Wars are waged for economics, not ideology. The military revolt increases the likelihood of tactical nukes being used, as Wagner is tired of losing men with the kid glove tactics thus far employed. This is going to get ugly.
While true that all wars are waged for economic reasons, this comment about covid being the reason is just some Qanon level nonsense.
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Are you LRCers worried about the civil war in Russia. Your hero Putin is being attacked by another right wing punkassbitch. Does Putin have anything like the trump PeePee Tapes on this guy? Can Putin use any of the stolen secrets that he bought from trump? What will you LRCers do if Putin falls? The only strong heroes of yours left will be in North Korea and Iran. Who will Moscow Mitch McConnell, Leningrad Lindsey Graham and Kremlin Ted Cruz report to?
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Timothy Foyle wrote:
Cold War Warrior1 wrote:
What do you believe C.I.A. has been up to over the past year or so? Russia/Ukraine is the biggest ball game for C.I.A. at this time.
Oh yes, certainly the CIA is in charge of Putin's mercenary army. That's for sure.
Oh, and let's not forget about the Jews! We all know that Hitler was just a puppet for the Jews.
You must be watching all Homeland episodes over and over. In Homeland series, as I am sure you know, C.I.A. officers were at Langley, VA, Kabul, Afghanistan or Israel. These are not 00s or 10s.
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but putin is a genius like me! wrote:
joedlrt wrote:
Wars are waged for economics, not ideology. The military revolt increases the likelihood of tactical nukes being used, as Wagner is tired of losing men with the kid glove tactics thus far employed. This is going to get ugly.
While true that all wars are waged for economic reasons, this comment is just some qanon level nonsense.
The shock in oil prices due to COVID shutdowns caused Russias debt to balloon by 40% in 2020. Pretty much every country took on a pile of debt, the Ukraine war was just the approach Russia took to address those debts. Iran, Iraq, Russia, Saudis, etc. all do the same thing when oil prices get too low for their liking: they do something to destabilize markets to drive the price back up. They all hate that the US can produce its own, and quite frankly, they hate the Western movement towards EVs. That is why they are increasing their alliance with Eastern nations like China and India, who are happy to buy the oil and gas.
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Cold War Warrior1 wrote:
Timothy Foyle wrote:
Oh yes, certainly the CIA is in charge of Putin's mercenary army. That's for sure.
Oh, and let's not forget about the Jews! We all know that Hitler was just a puppet for the Jews.
You must be watching all Homeland episodes over and over. In Homeland series, as I am sure you know, C.I.A. officers were at Langley, VA, Kabul, Afghanistan or Israel. These are not 00s or 10s.
I know, right?
It's the CIA!
Run!!!
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!
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The Wagner guys reconsidered their decision after being told of the likely outcome if the Interior Ministry troops were called into action. A most unpleasant result was avoided.
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DanM wrote:
The Wagner guys reconsidered their decision after being told of the likely outcome if the Interior Ministry troops were called into action. A most unpleasant result was avoided.
Who told the Wagner guys of the likely outcome? Why didn't that person or persons tell them of the likely outcome 24 hours ago? Aren't these Wagner guys used to predicted likely outcomes from fighting in Ukraine meat grinders and such? Why wasn't the likely outcome implemented by the Interior Ministry 24 hours ago?
Sorry for having so many questions, but your post is kind of vague.
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