I guess that proves blacks are as smart, or smarter than whites, so no affirmation action is needed in college acceptances.
If only that was the case. Who would have guessed treating one race of Americans like incompetent and incapable children for going on 3 generations now causes them to fall even further behind everyone else?
Exactly. I know someone black with a 1580 and great grades and ecs who was accepted to most places he applied; whites and Asians at my school with similar stats were also accepted, but for him he can’t be certain it was due to his talents
Exactly. I know someone black with a 1580 and great grades and ecs who was accepted to most places he applied; whites and Asians at my school with similar stats were also accepted, but for him he can’t be certain it was due to his talents
White men were excepted into elite schools for decades before those colleges accepted women and before there was any racial diversity to speak of. They were also accepted with poor academic records and often got in just because they had attended the ‘right’ schools or have come from the ‘right’ families. They seemed to have been able to overcome any guilt about their college acceptances just fine.
Exactly. I know someone black with a 1580 and great grades and ecs who was accepted to most places he applied; whites and Asians at my school with similar stats were also accepted, but for him he can’t be certain it was due to his talents
White men were excepted into elite schools for decades before those colleges accepted women and before there was any racial diversity to speak of. They were also accepted with poor academic records and often got in just because they had attended the ‘right’ schools or have come from the ‘right’ families. They seemed to have been able to overcome any guilt about their college acceptances just fine.
I think you are referring to privileged white men who are now either dead or very old.
But if your point is that anyone getting special privileges over others due to gender or race is wrong, then I completely agree with you.
But if your point is that were biased based on race and gender then so we should do it again now with different criterion, I wholeheartedly disagree with you.
Now do per capita and compare it to the better Ivies
How about someone wanting to study medicine, dentistry, law, or to get an MBA? Princeton, for such an applicant, though usually ranked by US News & World Report among what you describe as "the better Ivies," is the least among them as it has no medical school, no dental school, no law school, and no graduate school of business.
We're getting a bit astray here, but I do want to comment on the Ivy League (human) medical schools (Among the Ivies, Cornell has the only veterinary school of medicine and it is usually first- or second-ranked in the USA). Princeton has no medical school but the seven other Ivies do, and they are all highly-ranked or very-highly ranked. Here's how US News & World Report ranks medical schools based on research for 2023-2024:
1. Harvard
2. Johns Hopkins (non-Ivy League)
3. Penn (Perelman)
4. Columbia
5. Duke (non-Ivy League)
5. Stanford (non-Ivy League)
5. UC San Francisco (non-Ivy League)
5. Vanderbilt (non-Ivy League)
5. Washington University in St. Louis (non-Ivy League)
Penn is always the 4th best, and some of the dual degree programs are as prestigious as any of the other 3 you mentioned.
Sorry Charlie. Plucking just the Ivies from Shanghai Rankings' Academic Ranking of World Universities for 2022 (the most recent available as I type), we find Penn 6th among the Ivies, so Penn is NOT "always the 4th best" of the Ivies:
Harvard 1st
Princeton 6th
Columbia 8th (This was, I believe, before a Columbia math professor exposed Columbia for fraudulent claims about spending on various academic programs.)
Yale 11th
Cornell 12th
Penn 15th
Brown 99th
Dartmouth 301st-400th ( I suspect that Dartmouth's low placement is due to the methodology's high emphasis on research.)
How about someone wanting to study medicine, dentistry, law, or to get an MBA? Princeton, for such an applicant, though usually ranked by US News & World Report among what you describe as "the better Ivies," is the least among them as it has no medical school, no dental school, no law school, and no graduate school of business.
We're getting a bit astray here, but I do want to comment on the Ivy League (human) medical schools (Among the Ivies, Cornell has the only veterinary school of medicine and it is usually first- or second-ranked in the USA). Princeton has no medical school but the seven other Ivies do, and they are all highly-ranked or very-highly ranked. Here's how US News & World Report ranks medical schools based on research for 2023-2024:
1. Harvard
2. Johns Hopkins (non-Ivy League)
3. Penn (Perelman)
4. Columbia
5. Duke (non-Ivy League)
5. Stanford (non-Ivy League)
5. UC San Francisco (non-Ivy League)
5. Vanderbilt (non-Ivy League)
5. Washington University in St. Louis (non-Ivy League)
We're getting a bit astray here, but I do want to comment on the Ivy League (human) medical schools (Among the Ivies, Cornell has the only veterinary school of medicine and it is usually first- or second-ranked in the USA). Princeton has no medical school but the seven other Ivies do, and they are all highly-ranked or very-highly ranked. Here's how US News & World Report ranks medical schools based on research for 2023-2024:
1. Harvard
2. Johns Hopkins (non-Ivy League)
3. Penn (Perelman)
4. Columbia
5. Duke (non-Ivy League)
5. Stanford (non-Ivy League)
5. UC San Francisco (non-Ivy League)
5. Vanderbilt (non-Ivy League)
5. Washington University in St. Louis (non-Ivy League)
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I would wonder what college at Cornell he got into though?
Back when I applied and went there you had to pick ahead of time: (i.e. "Engineering" or "Arts and Sciences" college and the applications were specific and a bit different to that school within Cornell....even coming from the Common Ap etc). I actually had to take a bunch of SAT IIs (Physics, Math etc) also for Engineering.
I applied and got into Cornell Engineering because it was the program I wanted to be in. Don't get me wrong...Stanford would have been nice too! At Harvard I believe I applied to the "Design school" instead. Rojo told me to apply to the "Ag school" at Cornell because it was "easier to get into"....but I didn't listen to him and took my chances!
People look at college rankings without realizing the strength of certain programs and majors. You want a good engineering or architecture or vet school? Well look at Cornell!
I'm glad I ended up looking it up because I found out the OP was incorrect. He was accepted to over 185 colleges, not 85.
He chose Cornell by the way.
Who TF would choose Cornell over, well any other IV, Stanford, Cal…?
Well, the following (excerpted from the article linked below) relates to the five Ivy law schools (Brown, Dartmouth, and Princeton are Ivies but have no law school) and not to undergraduate education, but it is interesting:
1. Columbia Law School Median earnings of graduates four years after graduation: $280,926 Median Stafford and Grad PLUS loan debt: $198,924 Median debt as a percentage of median annual earnings: 71%
2. University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School Median earnings of graduates four years after graduation: $261,434 Median Stafford and Grad PLUS loan debt: $171,488 Median debt as a percentage of median annual earnings:66%
3. Cornell Law School Median earnings of graduates four years after graduation: $249,283 Median Stafford and Grad PLUS loan debt: $162,160 Median debt as a percentage of median annual earnings: 65%
4. Harvard Law School Median earnings of graduates four years after graduation: $233,589 Median Stafford and Grad PLUS loan debt: $93,235 Median debt as a percentage of median annual earnings:40%
5. Yale Law School Median earnings of graduates four years after graduation: $204,668 Median Stafford and Grad PLUS loan debt: $140,977 Median debt as a percentage of median annual earnings: 69%
Here's the percentage of law students who paid full tuition at the rest of the Ivy League schools during the 2021-22 school year:
