SEIDEL IS OUT OF WC MARATHON, has stress reaction in sacrum + TUE not approved

1) Stimulants are only prohibited "in competition," so by defintion, getting a TUE would allow her to use the drug during a competition (or, close enough to it to fail a drugs test).

2) Her TUE would specifiy the dose of the drug that she could legally use in competition. If she tried to go "off label" and take enough of the stimulant to affect her performance, the increased dosage would presumably show up in her test.

Nell has cancelled two recent races because of Covid.

How about not taking except near competition? I knew plenty of med students who only took adderall to study for finals.

I had a short text exchange with Molly earlier in the week.

I am not sure what she wanted to be public but since she has been dealing with mental stuff I’ll err on the side of caution.

I can say she did not test positive for anything. As people have noted here her TUE has not been approved.

People noted that Adderrall is only banned in competition so why doesn’t Molly just not take it the day of competition. In theory that would work, but how many days before competition would you have to stop? What about extended release adderrall? So I understand why athletes not taking it day of competition would want a TUE.

You do know that stimulants are only prohibited "in competition," right?

Thanks. That's helpful.

PS A suggestion: Check with some doctors/sports science guys to find out how quickly stimulants clear the system and write an article about it.

Some amount of the stimulant caffeine is allowed. The question remains as to how much this drug boosts performance, and should a TUE be allowed, per those claiming it doesn’t positively affect performance. If it stimulates greater heart contractions, I could foresee someone wanting it in their drink bottle in the later stages of a marathon if it could result in a pay-day, regardless of any long term detrimental consequences to its use.

Remember: If you doesn't glow, you're good to go.

Because stimulants are only banned "in competition" she only has to worry about glowing (failing a drug test) on race day. As long as the drug clears her system by race day, the WADA rules allow her (and anyone else!), to take stimulants whenever and at whatever doses they want.

I am special education teacher, I am NOT a doctor, but I do have a lot of experience in working with children who have ADHD and their families trying to support them. Of course I love running, and the sport as well. I just know from experience that Aderall has bad side effects, especially for kids, I am no expert for adults with ADHD. Nevertheless, I believe Strattera, is considered non-addictive, and Vyvanse and Concerta tend to have less side effects-in my experience, again I am not a doctor. I hope Molly has the support to wean off that medication along with any mental health support she deserves, because she appears to be nothing short of a great person and runner.

Dopers gonna dope.

thank you wejo, that’s useful info.

so many people in this thread should be ashamed of themselves. just baffled by how people are so quick to criticize and accuse when they have only a fraction of the many relevant facts. truly mind boggling.

you think maybe she’s doing the best she can with a tricky situation? maybe she’s consulted doctors, family, close friends, coaches, etc.? probably, right?

so many people here willing to criticize and accuse based on many assumptions and very incomplete information. it’s just nuts.

this is a real human being we’re discussing here, and she’s really put herself out there, is being as transparent with her running and her personal struggles as anyone could hope for, and is helping a lot of people along the way.

many, many people rooting for you, molly. keep up the good work.

You must be very new to sports and doping. Us elder LRCers have seen countless American dopers eventually get caught and called it way before it happens. And we also practice BS'ing every day. Heck, I have a doctorates in BSology. Seidel's BS'ing is not in the same league. With how much experience some of us have, we can see what's really happening. Extraordinary performances and transformations don't just happen for no reason. Did you also think we were wrong about Shelby?

The adage about the broken clock comes to mind.

Is that what the USADA used for Galen Rupp's 300 negative drug tests?

Who cares

shame you care so little about runnning you dont know who won the most recent women's olympic marathon, weird for you to be so wrong.

No I didnt. Quote me. What I did was I asked if you didn’t follow the olympics since you don’t know who she is. That isn't saying she won the olympics. Sorry you can't read.

Incredible that you double down here, even after reading the initial post over. You start your post with "Who?", which I answer with saying you can't follow the olympics (if you don't know who). Terribly sad that you cant comprehend this.

Both Adderall and Adderall XR have elimination half lives of 9-14 hours. That means that once you stop taking it, assuming you had taken it long enough to reach “steady state”, every 9-14 hours you would clear half of it.
VERY GENERALLY speaking, it would take 5 half lives to be out of your system by 97%. So she would have to stop taking it 45-70 hours before a competition to be off of it “in competition”… so about 3 days.
I don’t think most mental health professionals would think that’s a safe way to treat a medical condition. It would take another 5 half lives when she’s back on it to get to therapeutic steady state again. See-sawing on and off a drug is never good medicine, hence the application for TUE.

(Her doctors would choose the drug that works for her condition, not her running… as a side response to “there are other drugs she could take that don’t need a TUE”).