Look up the training of Dan King, M60 record holder in basically every US distance above 1500. His training is basically every other day running with aggressive cross training.
Look up the training of Dan King, M60 record holder in basically every US distance above 1500. His training is basically every other day running with aggressive cross training.
Lying for miles wrote:
They’re not telling the whole truth, plain and simple. They’re omitting information that would make it clear their mileage is higher than it would appear. A lot of people due this because it’s “impressive” and makes people think “imagine how good they could be if they could run x miles”. It’s an ego trip for a lot of athletes. Unless I can see your log, and even then I don’t entire trust it, I do not believe anybody when it comes to the “low mileage” types who make it a point to tel you how little they run. Like, unprompted “I only run twice a week” yeah sure kid.
or maybe they are telling the truth and would be faster if they trained more?
You guys forget that all of these stud high school, college, and professional runners are simply way more talented than most. Some dude's baseline might be a 16-minute 5k after a few weeks running where others, like me, are more like 17:30-45 (and some might run for years trying to break 18:00 etc). They are simply better and we can NEVER run as fast as them no matter what we do. I think of it as being 6'-0" tall versus 6'-10" - I will never be that tall even with perfect sleep, diet, training.
AND, we all probably overtrain based on our talent, recovery time, and access to professional trainers we have available. Less is good if you are hungry to race fast and stay injury-free (and have a lot of natural talent)
I PB'd in almost every distance above 3,000m after college by just doing running 35-45 mpw for these pb's, including the marathon. I have a good friend who had a kid and he only ran in a hilly park pushing a baby stroller for 3 months and ran 1:11:45 HM...a 75-second improvement on his best. I broke 1:10 for the first time by hopping in a 4.5 mile weekly club race, a casual 2-hr weekend trail run with some slow buddies, and a short but fast weekday club track workout. Maybe one 5 mile easy run during the week and some urban cycling to and from work was how I did it, but i couldn't train more because of a busier life and work schedule for 6 months or so.
Maybe thinking about running less was helpful too?
tend to agree. i think it's more like mind games--huge part of the game is mental. if ingested this idea is going to intimidate some runners. if there is any doubt in a competitor's mind as to their own fitness, they'll never be a challenge once they begin to fear how incredible another's fitness it with minimal running.
You are correct. Coburn ran 15 MPW. Schweizer and Hocker ran 30 MPW. They all went on to become world class. Valby and Cook run 20 MPW. Tuohy runs 70MPW. Easy to see who has best chance to become world class.
Yep. Just wait until Valby starts working out hard. LOL. The low mileage discussions never fail to amuse. Here you have an athlete that clearly works out super hard, and the usual crowd is like "just wait until she applies herself." :)
Anyway, what is unusual about Valby is that she has a level of physical development that you normally see in someone around 25. It is confusing people about her actual age, and I have seen more than one comment about that. The better training question than low vs. high mileage is what exactly is the U of Florida doing to train their athletes. They just swept both the men's and women's titles at the Outdoor championships so that is what I would be curious about. What exactly is Valby doing to look 25?
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Short but pointless.
25? I think she looks 18.
yurp wrote:
tend to agree. i think it's more like mind games--huge part of the game is mental. if ingested this idea is going to intimidate some runners. if there is any doubt in a competitor's mind as to their own fitness, they'll never be a challenge once they begin to fear how incredible another's fitness it with minimal running.
Yeah it’s gamesmanship. Years ago it was the complete opposite - intimidate the competition with how hard you work but somewhere along the line the idea that mileage=bad started up. Personally I think it’s cool when runners actually like to run. I remember one interview where Coach Henes mentioned at the end of XC season that Tuohy and Chmiel were excited about getting to do some extra long run. I love that spirit and it really shows they are out there not just to win but for the love of the game so to speak. Inspiring. I also got to wonder about some of these distance athletes struggling to run 15-20 miles a week. What is the root cause of repeated injuries that limit their mileage so much? Many times along with that injury pattern you see a significant physical transformation that might not be healthy. Would that not be concerning and unsustainable?
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Why? You sure changed your tune overnight. I guess Tuohy was a nobody before Saturday.
yea shes a nobody with 80 thousand fans
shes a nobody before saturday
Indoor
5000m ACC Champion
5000m NCAA Runner-up
3000m NCAA Runner-up
Outdoor
1500m Raleigh Relays Champion
5000m Virginia Challenge Champion
1500m relay Penn Relays Runner-up
1500m ACC Champion
5000m ACC Runner-up
5000m NCAA East Regional Champion
5000m NCAA National Champion
nobody also ran 4:06 and 15:14
Cross Training is great for some, but I have seen many coaches afraid to have their kids run more than 35 miles per week, for fear of “burning the out”(which is not a physical thing)
We have kids in my state running 4:15 miles under light training, but when they get to college they are unprepared to do the work necessary to compete at a higher level.
This is not accurate. Parker was high mileage in high school. She may be only running 20 miles now, because of her injury, but she is doing a lot of cross training that adds up to more time than if she was only running.
But she is not improving like nearly elite America did. That fact just seems to not sink in. Valby is on a path like Schweizer. Prepare to have her leave Tuohy in the dust. Cook will also blow by her next year.
It is accurste. Valby ran her PR on 20 MPW.
So will she be time trialing with Shelby? :)
Tuohy? She is more muscular than any of the guys in the 5k.