I currently have Covid bad. Need some training advice

Lead Foil Hat XXIV wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

The mRNA vaccines work quite well against Omicron. Stop lying. It’s all you have, I know. But man does it get old.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.21.21268116v1https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21268134v1

So you say they "work quite well against Omicron" and then post 1 paper that does not even look at this and another that says the mRNA vaccine effectiveness is either nil or at best, severely reduced if you get 3-4 shots.....and then call me a liar. You are still the only liar on these boards. Even Harambe has a better soul than you. This is sad that you stoop this low to misinform people.

Care to show me in the paper where you get your conclusions from? Notice the SA analysis. Vaccinated/Unvax hospitalization OR = 0.5.

Oh hmmmm.... vaccination generates strong T cell response against Omicron... even in immunocompromised people

You have no evidence. Just wishful thinking.

I'm betting that big Pfizer short play isn't really panning out. Hopefully social security is sufficient for your lifestyle.

2600 bro wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XXIV wrote:

So you say they "work quite well against Omicron" and then post 1 paper that does not even look at this and another that says the mRNA vaccine effectiveness is either nil or at best, severely reduced if you get 3-4 shots.....and then call me a liar. You are still the only liar on these boards. Even Harambe has a better soul than you. This is sad that you stoop this low to misinform people.

Care to show me in the paper where you get your conclusions from? Notice the SA analysis. Vaccinated/Unvax hospitalization OR = 0.5.

Oh hmmmm.... vaccination generates strong T cell response against Omicron... even in immunocompromised people

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21268128v1

You have no evidence. Just wishful thinking.

I'm betting that big Pfizer short play isn't really panning out. Hopefully social security is sufficient for your lifestyle.

From the abstract of the paper you posted:

"Neutralizing activity of sera from convalescent and double vaccinated participants was undetectable to very low against B.1.1.529 while neutralizing activity of sera from individuals who had been exposed to spike three or four times was maintained, albeit at strongly reduced levels. "

I don't need to post any more evidence as you tend to do that for everyone.

2600 bro wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XXIV wrote:

So you say they "work quite well against Omicron" and then post 1 paper that does not even look at this and another that says the mRNA vaccine effectiveness is either nil or at best, severely reduced if you get 3-4 shots.....and then call me a liar. You are still the only liar on these boards. Even Harambe has a better soul than you. This is sad that you stoop this low to misinform people.

Care to show me in the paper where you get your conclusions from? Notice the SA analysis. Vaccinated/Unvax hospitalization OR = 0.5.

Oh hmmmm.... vaccination generates strong T cell response against Omicron... even in immunocompromised people

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21268128v1

You have no evidence. Just wishful thinking.

I'm betting that big Pfizer short play isn't really panning out. Hopefully social security is sufficient for your lifestyle.

Of course you will see boosts in T-cell response in immuno-compromised people if you give them a booster shot. All vulnerable people with poor immune systems should get the shots even if their effectiveness is drastically reduced. Go ahead, keep distorting reality to spin your dogmatic lie. Everyone agrees the vulnerable should do whatever they can; there is no point for anyone else other than bad assumptions and bully pull-pit anecdotal stories.

Lead Foil Hat XXIV wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Care to show me in the paper where you get your conclusions from? Notice the SA analysis. Vaccinated/Unvax hospitalization OR = 0.5.

Oh hmmmm.... vaccination generates strong T cell response against Omicron... even in immunocompromised people

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21268128v1

You have no evidence. Just wishful thinking.

I'm betting that big Pfizer short play isn't really panning out. Hopefully social security is sufficient for your lifestyle.

From the abstract of the paper you posted:

"Neutralizing activity of sera from convalescent and double vaccinated participants was undetectable to very low against B.1.1.529 while neutralizing activity of sera from individuals who had been exposed to spike three or four times was maintained, albeit at strongly reduced levels. "

I don't need to post any more evidence as you tend to do that for everyone.

Reading the abstracts!! That's a big step for you! Very proud :)

Now you just need another sentence there:

Binding to the B.1.1.529 receptor binding domain (RBD) and N-terminal domain (NTD) was reduced in convalescent not vaccinated but was mostly retained in vaccinated individuals.

Remember antibody neutralization is great! But just binding is very import for cell mediated immunity as well. The retention of binding in vaccinated (but not convalescent!) is crucial for protection against severe disease - as is the T cell reactivity demonstrated in other studies.

LFH, 12/2021: I don't need to post any more evidence as you tend to do that for everyone.

Thank you for recognizing my efforts here and, of course, your complete lack of effort. I think we may be reaching a detente here!

2600 bro wrote:

LFH, 12/2021: I don't need to post any more evidence as you tend to do that for everyone.

Thank you for recognizing my efforts here and, of course, your complete lack of effort. I think we may be reaching a detente here!

You mean a point where we both realize you are exaggerating reality to support your delusional state; yes. You are still extrapolating from one thing to a reality that does not support mas vaccination of children with now barely effective mRNA vaccines. They should be allowed to wait for safer options to be put on the table.

The only reason a medical exemption isn’t forthcoming is because of our country’s refusal to recognize natural immunity. Interesting that I am a moron for supporting and encouraging a fellow runner regardless of their personal health decision regarding a biologic injection, approved as an emergency use authorization medication. This EUA implies emergency- explain to me how assuming the risk of vaccine induced myocarditis is a better option than this young mans minimal risk with covid.

The OP is online, posting, asking for running advice- he is quarantining and isn’t on a ventilator so I would say he is at no risk to himself or others. Get the vaccine if you want it, don’t get it if you don’t want it. The truth is that you will get covid regardless as we are currently seeing.

Why don’t you put your energy into something positive rather than belittling someone who opted for a different risk category than you. If someone views themselves as high risk, get the vaccine. Otherwise let the young and healthy make their own choice, eventually achieving natural immunity. You are part of the problem by putting the hateful and negative energy and attitude out there during this challenging time. I wish you health and a better outlook on this world and your fellow man.

whut wrote:

I am a moron for supporting and encouraging a fellow runner regardless of their personal health decision regarding a biologic injection, approved as an emergency use authorization medication.

fixed that for you, i agree

Lead Foil Hat XXIV wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

LFH, 12/2021: I don't need to post any more evidence as you tend to do that for everyone.

Thank you for recognizing my efforts here and, of course, your complete lack of effort. I think we may be reaching a detente here!

You mean a point where we both realize you are exaggerating reality to support your delusional state; yes. You are still extrapolating from one thing to a reality that does not support mas vaccination of children with now barely effective mRNA vaccines. They should be allowed to wait for safer options to be put on the table.

10 minutes ago is was "ineffective" now its "barely effective"

I like this trend!

2600 bro wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XXIV wrote:

You mean a point where we both realize you are exaggerating reality to support your delusional state; yes. You are still extrapolating from one thing to a reality that does not support mas vaccination of children with now barely effective mRNA vaccines. They should be allowed to wait for safer options to be put on the table.

10 minutes ago is was "ineffective" now its "barely effective"

I like this trend!

At least you are making it clear you assume "barely effective" is a success that must be rammed into every living man, woman and child. We know who you are and who you represent.

F1 Runner wrote:

I was just starting to slowly build my mileage back up after xc with 5-7 mi runs every day. I have also been exercise biking for 90 minutes a day to supplement more mileage without the risk of injury. A few days ago I tested positive for Covid and it hit hard. Running 7 min pace feels more like 5:45 pace and pushing 200 watts feels like pushing 300. Should I cut out the biking until I get healthier? FYI: I’m not going to stop running. I can’t afford to get that out of shape. Any advice is appreciated.

Guys tend to over do it with physical exertion recovering from covid or after the vaccine and the myocarditis is possible if you're overdoing it. Walk while you having covid and a week after you've recovered, the sunshine will do you good, then work up a plan with your doctor.

A couple of my marathoning friends had programs with timed runs (increasing in length) in zone 2, then walking to stay in zone 2, after a month they could move into zone 3 for a bit, then another couple weeks move into zone 4 if you're feeling good, and eventually some zone 5 work.

Rest days are important and with covid it impacts your immune system. So try to go for a slow pace for now?

Same here. I started to feel bad (but not so bad ) 1st december.,after two days I made a covid test and it was negative. but after other two days things get worse- Fever not high 37,5 celsius up and down, bronchitis, a very strong headache that didnt leave me for 3 days, and I was very weak , it was hard to climb step or even walk. I used to take only Aspirin two a day. then I went to do other two covid test in two different places in the same day one negative and one finally positive. Call my doctor and she gave me on 9 december Medrol 16mg Cortisone for 5 days then 8mg for other 5 days + azithromycin 500mg for 6 days. (no more aspirin of course)

After two hours that i took Cortisone it was like I came to life again , no more headache no more fever and since then I m ok. Cortisone gave me lot of power ( I can understand why is doping) and after 3 days I was able to train again with a lot of energy, doing exercise squat, abs, core everything like never before. But of course I stopped to train when I had Covid symptoms cos I was feeling bad. So absolutely no reason at all to train if you have covid and you are not ok . Just wait until you ll feel better

ps I m not vaccinated

Stop training immediately. You might catch myocarditis if you train with the covid infection, at any stage.

When I get the sniffles, I go run as normal. You should, too.

F1 Runner wrote:

I was just starting to slowly build my mileage back up after xc with 5-7 mi runs every day. I have also been exercise biking for 90 minutes a day to supplement more mileage without the risk of injury. A few days ago I tested positive for Covid and it hit hard. Running 7 min pace feels more like 5:45 pace and pushing 200 watts feels like pushing 300. Should I cut out the biking until I get healthier? FYI: I’m not going to stop running. I can’t afford to get that out of shape. Any advice is appreciated.

You have covid? Don't train.

Lead Foil Hat XXIV wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Care to show me in the paper where you get your conclusions from? Notice the SA analysis. Vaccinated/Unvax hospitalization OR = 0.5.

Oh hmmmm.... vaccination generates strong T cell response against Omicron... even in immunocompromised people

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21268128v1

You have no evidence. Just wishful thinking.

I'm betting that big Pfizer short play isn't really panning out. Hopefully social security is sufficient for your lifestyle.

From the abstract of the paper you posted:

"Neutralizing activity of sera from convalescent and double vaccinated participants was undetectable to very low against B.1.1.529 while neutralizing activity of sera from individuals who had been exposed to spike three or four times was maintained, albeit at strongly reduced levels. "

I don't need to post any more evidence as you tend to do that for everyone.

You are a moron.

Yes, you are a moron. Natural immunity is most cases is not better than getting the vaccine, and in the rare cases that it is, that person just happened to get a huge viral load that they survived. Vaccines give excellent and consistent immunity.

Myocarditis is much more prevalent in people who get COVID than those who get the vaccine.

The OP is a moron for not getting vaccinated. You are a moron for presenting it as if it is a viable decision. It isn't. Moron.