Shelby Houlihan Sets Up a Gofundme and Website

Strict liability offences are not mens rea.

There is a huge difference in trying to defend very very low levels of a drug from a test over a month ago compared with the massive levels needed for a driving drug or drink offence when you are given the test result immediately.

There are very very few offences that are strict liability because of the problem of mens rea.

4:59 wrote:

I just donated a second time! I can't wait till payday.

Ha, ha.

You didn't pay sh!t

I can see why she went the food explanation as there seemed nowt else.

She may have noted that Tyson Fury created havoc with the boars meat defence and it cost UKAD nearly a $1million to find some sort of ill defined solution.

4:59 wrote:

I just donated a second time! I can't wait till payday.

I suppose that's admirable of you, but unfortunately I think Shelby Hoolahoop will slowly realize that society doesn't care about victims if they are white. If she were not white, there would be a social justice angle, it would get picked up by CNN, and boom 300k in no time.

This isn't a complaint about being white. On the flip side, it's easier for good-looking white people to make money as a Nick Symmonds-style influencer on YouTube. But legal bill fundraisers? That's gonna be an uphill battle for a white person.

I have a hard time with the go fund me. If truly wrongfully convicted, shouldn't her sponsor be allocating resources toward her defense? If guilty, shouldn't she go find a regular job to help fund her defense. Continuing to live like a professional athlete while banned is a luxury. There's no reason to believe she needs 100% of her time to train when she can't compete.

If this works it will be an interesting idea for others to consider - not payment to support them during a ban, but a page for more general financial support.

I’d throw $20 to my favorite runner from time to time if they were struggling to get by

xy489129 wrote:

I have a hard time with the go fund me. If truly wrongfully convicted, shouldn't her sponsor be allocating resources toward her defense? If guilty, shouldn't she go find a regular job to help fund her defense. Continuing to live like a professional athlete while banned is a luxury. There's no reason to believe she needs 100% of her time to train when she can't compete.

$300k post tax and now is a big big ask.

That does not mean I am comfortable with the go fund.

This is exactly what Tyler Hamilton did. It's shameless and indicative of a personality disorder.

She, perhaps inadvertently, ingested a contaminated supplement. This is the most likely scenario. Admit it, serve your ban, and move on.

At the rate it's going, she won't get anywhere near $300k. She will be lucky to get more than $50k from it. Sure there could be people giving her money directly, but her gofundme link isn't being shared by other pros... How many of her peers buy her story?...

free shipping with purchases wrote:

This is exactly what Tyler Hamilton did. It's shameless and indicative of a personality disorder.

She, perhaps inadvertently, ingested a contaminated supplement. This is the most likely scenario. Admit it, serve your ban, and move on.

Why would you move on if you thought you had not cheated.

I doubt if many would .

I think it is best for her own development to move on. She has a degree and other skills. Standing by the burrito story is going to lead to long-term misery. I can even believe she didn't know about nandrolone-it was probably in whatever sketchy supplement she was taking. Where is she getting advice?

She should try to sign an endorsement contract with Taco Bell. They recently introduced their new Grilled Cheese Burrito. They could design an ad campaign around her poking fun at herself for choosing a burrito from the competition and getting banned. Oh, wait, this would require her to admit guilt first or it won't work. Still probably make more money than she will from a Go Fund Me page.

Koko the Gorilla wrote:

4:59 wrote:

I just donated a second time! I can't wait till payday.

I suppose that's admirable of you, but unfortunately I think Shelby Hoolahoop will slowly realize that society doesn't care about victims if they are white. If she were not white, there would be a social justice angle, it would get picked up by CNN, and boom 300k in no time.

This isn't a complaint about being white. On the flip side, it's easier for good-looking white people to make money as a Nick Symmonds-style influencer on YouTube. But legal bill fundraisers? That's gonna be an uphill battle for a white person.

The "If she was black" scenario falls flat with Houlihan. Black or white, she lost her appeal and it's over.

Honestly, since she is pro-Trump if this gets enough publicity in America First circles, she might make her funding goals. Rittenhouse raised millions, so I would not be surprised if Shelby wouldn't if she frames it correctly.

I'd be interested to know how much rekrunner and liar soorer as well as all the other doping apologists donate, convinced as they are of her innocence. Put your money where your mouth is, boys.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Koko the Gorilla wrote:

I suppose that's admirable of you, but unfortunately I think Shelby Hoolahoop will slowly realize that society doesn't care about victims if they are white. If she were not white, there would be a social justice angle, it would get picked up by CNN, and boom 300k in no time.

This isn't a complaint about being white. On the flip side, it's easier for good-looking white people to make money as a Nick Symmonds-style influencer on YouTube. But legal bill fundraisers? That's gonna be an uphill battle for a white person.

The "If she was black" scenario falls flat with Houlihan. Black or white, she lost her appeal and it's over.

If Shakira Richardson held a Gofundme how much would it raise? I rest my case.

tlm1959 wrote:

I think it is best for her own development to move on. She has a degree and other skills. Standing by the burrito story is going to lead to long-term misery. I can even believe she didn't know about nandrolone-it was probably in whatever sketchy supplement she was taking. Where is she getting advice?

Other posters may well be surprised, but I agree with you. But try saying that to someone who was within touching grasp of an Olympic medal.

This is not like a small criminal case or employment dismissal for such athletes.

Armstronglivs wrote:

I'd be interested to know how much rekrunner and liar soorer as well as all the other doping apologists donate, convinced as they are of her innocence. Put your money where your mouth is, boys.

Obviously you have maintained your stance of not reading otherwise you would not have said what you have said about me.

You admit posting like a 6 yr old and have hurled lots of vile foul mouthed abuse at all that disagree with you.

What is a doping apologist?

liar soorer wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I'd be interested to know how much rekrunner and liar soorer as well as all the other doping apologists donate, convinced as they are of her innocence. Put your money where your mouth is, boys.

Obviously you have maintained your stance of not reading otherwise you would not have said what you have said about me.

You admit posting like a 6 yr old and have hurled lots of vile foul mouthed abuse at all that disagree with you.

What is a doping apologist?

Ps; I have said several times that she is guilty as charged by the rules of having Nandrolone in her.

But that does not mean she is automatically a cheat and should get vile abuse.