This should be the Quote of the Decade regarding trans athletes participating in elite women's sport

Here it goes again wrote:

This whole post reads like "do you even KNOW who you just insulted??"

I am not here to insult the swimmer, I'm here to nitpick people like rojo who try to legitimize their moral panic symptoms by saying someone "who we should all listen to" agrees with him.

Like this thread...it's the QUOTE OF THE DECADE even though it's just a pretty standard take. There's nothing particularly special or insightful about it. It just gives cover for rojo to start his 15th transgender thread of the month, where all the same topics get rehashed and a few predictable people get to trot out their excuse for edgy humor

Yes. You are correct. I keep bringing it up becuase I can't belive those in charge can continue to be so stupid. If there was no biological difference between the sexes, why did we start women's athletics in the first place? There would be no need for it.

If you are answer is, "Well women give birth or women have periods " please realize that doesn't apply to trains women.

Can you explain what about the quote makes it Quote of the Decade material? Like what is specifically in the tweet that has been lacking from the conversation so far?

I read the NY Times Ce Ce Tefler article. What's interesting to me is ALL of the most liked comments say it's obviously unfair.

This isn't complicated. Just do as one poster wrote, "@KT - There is an easy answer, although no one wants to say it out loud - people with male bodies, regardless of how they identify, compete only with other people with male bodies."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/01/sports/olympics/cece-telfer-olympic-trials.html#commentsContainer

Let it Rupp wrote:

noglacierforyougfdgdf wrote:

yes. I am always baffled that letsrun support equity in sports (thats what sex categories make sure) but oppose it in any other field for women or black people.

What is it about women and black people that makes them inherently inferior to men/whites such that they need equity policies to be on equal footing within society? Women lack the muscular strength and bone density needed to compete with men in athletics, hence the separate categories. I would love to hear your thoughts on what it is black people lack that makes them worse off in business or academia.

Also, separate sex categories isn't equity. Equity in this case would be like giving women a 10 second head start in an 800 race against men.

What thats exactly equity like quotas. 50% of medal winners are male and 50 female by design. Skill does not matter. Blacks were slaves starting at the very bottom of society. In any statistic parents wealth and status matters. As such If you think women are disadvantaged enough for an own category you can make the same argument for blacks.

I think us libs need to derail trans conversations away from sports and back to the bathroom controversies so the TERFs can show how crazy they actually are.

rojo wrote:

The IOC's recent decision to say that trans women can compete in elite women's sport without lowering their testosterone is comically flawed from a scientific standpoint. Sadly, only a few people have the guts to point that fact out. The following quote features true logical brilliance from Sharron Davies - a former Olympic medallist in swimming for GBR.

"After 2 decades of the IOC ignoring DDR situation & letting down female athletes we are here again with a cowardly passing of the buck! How can testosterone be on the drug ban list but not an issue if born male in female sport? Men get fair sport women not"

https://twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1460897966923952130

PS. If you don't know who Davies is, watch this clip:

https://youtu.be/k1a4H3KJ-fk

This is the dumbest issue of our age. If you want patriarchy, then by all means let biological men take over sports, and take over politics (I'm looking at you Rachel Levine) in the name of women. We can also allow them in women's changing rooms and bathrooms. That is patriarchy. If that's what you want, then by all means, push these ideas.

Speaking of sexist and ageist imagery.

the research disagrees wrote:

I think us libs need to derail trans conversations away from sports and back to the bathroom controversies so the TERFs can show how crazy they actually are.

You should do that. It's funny to watch #BelieveAllWomen become #ThatNeverHappened whenever a woman or girl is assaulted in the ladies' room by a person with a dingdong - whether that person is trans or was just taking advantage of the open-bathroom policy. Loudoun County Schools is just the example that went viral, there are plenty.

carmine9 wrote:

I used to joke that I had the American Record for 800 meters -- for women.

Now lots of guys can do this.

With $$ involved, why wouldn't a 1:52 male just compete as a woman?

Win the OG

Because they would lose to a 1:51 male? If men were prepared to pretend to be trans women, then we could all but the medal favorites to choose to compete as women. But this relies on the ludicrous assumption that men would be prepared to pretend to be women. If you are a man, would you consider this? Do you know anyone who would?

I'm not making an argument for trans women competing as women. I'm just pointing out it's likely to remain very rare. Have there been any cases in international athletics?

I'm aware of a distance runner at the University of Montana and a couple of sprinters in Connecticut high schools. Are there any other cases performing at a high level?

gingrag wrote:

the research disagrees wrote:

I think us libs need to derail trans conversations away from sports and back to the bathroom controversies so the TERFs can show how crazy they actually are.

You should do that. It's funny to watch #BelieveAllWomen become #ThatNeverHappened whenever a woman or girl is assaulted in the ladies' room by a person with a dingdong - whether that person is trans or was just taking advantage of the open-bathroom policy. Loudoun County Schools is just the example that went viral, there are plenty.

An example of what?

--The perpetrator was not a transgender person.

--The school did not have an "open-bathroom" policy.

-- He also assaulted another girl in an empty classroom.

RunRagged wrote:

BTW, I'm all for guys being able to dress, "present" and "identify as" they wish. I just don't think that gender identity should supplant sex in contexts where the sex of human bodies matters.

This is the underlying issue.

I don’t think it’s “brogressive” to consider transwomen as women. You do.

You expect them to carry around a list of spaces where they are to remind them of when they are are men and when they are women:

At work: woman

Bathroom at work: man

Bathroom at home: woman

Restaurant: woman

Bathroom at restaurant: man

At Target: woman

Changing room at Target: man

Working out at the gym: woman

Running a race: man

You see how ridiculous these “rules” become?

A transwoman is a woman. My rules for that woman are:

Anywhere you go, in all walks of life: you’re a woman.

I never post. I am 100% with you on this one. I believe females deserve a place in sport. So do males. So do transgenders. We can make it work, we're just not there yet. Everybody calm the eff down.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

RunRagged wrote:

BTW, I'm all for guys being able to dress, "present" and "identify as" they wish. I just don't think that gender identity should supplant sex in contexts where the sex of human bodies matters.

This is the underlying issue.

I don’t think it’s “brogressive” to consider transwomen as women. You do.

You expect them to carry around a list of spaces where they are to remind them of when they are are men and when they are women:

At work: woman

Bathroom at work: man

Bathroom at home: woman

Restaurant: woman

Bathroom at restaurant: man

At Target: woman

Changing room at Target: man

Working out at the gym: woman

Running a race: man

You see how ridiculous these “rules” become?

A transwoman is a woman. My rules for that woman are:

Anywhere you go, in all walks of life: you’re a woman.

And you are delusional....Every shred of his DNA says he's male...I believe in science, not emotion.

I remember the "razor blades in candy" legend except it was just beatniks that did it.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:

Liberalism is a disease and loser SJWs trying to validate their own mundane lives are losers who ironically do more harm than good.

I’m liberal and left. I disagree with the way the IOC want to deal with this situation. I personally would argue for 3 catergories. You can be the world fastest woman with internal testes.

Back to my point, stop making everything about politics. I don’t change the narrative to make everything about your propensity to rape children…

you are a tool wrote:

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:

Liberalism is a disease and loser SJWs trying to validate their own mundane lives are losers who ironically do more harm than good.

I’m liberal and left. I disagree with the way the IOC want to deal with this situation. I personally would argue for 3 catergories. You can be the world fastest woman with internal testes.

Back to my point, stop making everything about politics. I don’t change the narrative to make everything about your propensity to rape children…

Yeah. Steve. You child rapin’ prick.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

gingrag wrote:

You should do that. It's funny to watch #BelieveAllWomen become #ThatNeverHappened whenever a woman or girl is assaulted in the ladies' room by a person with a dingdong - whether that person is trans or was just taking advantage of the open-bathroom policy. Loudoun County Schools is just the example that went viral, there are plenty.

An example of what?

--The perpetrator was not a transgender person.

--The school did not have an "open-bathroom" policy.

-- He also assaulted another girl in an empty classroom.

See how easy it is when we talk about bathrooms? Now that's moral panic!

Also RunRagged, if you believed in people's right to change their presented identity, you wouldn't purposefully misgender them. That is, of course, denying that presented identity. Thinly veiled.