Cal vs USC football game CANCELLED after Cal covid outbreak

Doesn’t California have a mandatory vaccination policy for all schools and universities? How effective is this vaccine if a fully vaccinated or at least highly vaccinated football program comes down with 44 COVID cases (and counting). I’m vaccinated and I encourage everyone else to get vaccinated but I think it’s clear the vaccine isn’t as effective as we or the experts thought.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfgate.com/collegesports/amp/cal-football-covid-outbreak-44-cases-berkeley-16608097.php

I just want to say that I agree with rojo 100%. I am very pro-vax. I have no problem with vax mandates, though I think proof of having had Covid within the last six months should probably allow people under 40 to get a waiver. My philosophy:

1.) Get vaccinated if you are 5 or older

2.) Get your booster

3.) Live your life

No more mask mandates, especially for kids. No more testing people who don't feel sick. No more school closures. No more insane "sanitizing" of everything under the sun.

I have a daughter who just turned 2. According to the CDC she should wear a mask at all times indoors. By state mandate, if we put her in daycare she'd have to wear a mask all day long every day and be surrounded by other masked kids and caregivers. (One of the reasons I'm not working right now.)

If you don't live on the west coast, you honestly can't understand how insane it is out here. We're looking into moving to Virginia. I have just had it.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Doesn’t California have a mandatory vaccination policy for all schools and universities? How effective is this vaccine if a fully vaccinated or at least highly vaccinated football program comes down with 44 COVID cases (and counting). I’m vaccinated and I encourage everyone else to get vaccinated but I think it’s clear the vaccine isn’t as effective as we or the experts thought.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfgate.com/collegesports/amp/cal-football-covid-outbreak-44-cases-berkeley-16608097.php

It's pretty clear you need a booster after six months. What is less clear is why so many people, including these football players, are still not eligible.

Yep, and I can't for the life of me figure out what the end game is here for those who still want to continue various mandates, masking, and testing. Is that a forever thing? Because we don't have another finish line in sight. The finish line was the vaccine. We are at the end and we need to accept the endemic version or I guess we just test, mask, mandate for the rest of eternity.

I sincerely don’t know the end game in some places.

California has mandated vaccines & will probably mandate boosters. Fine. However, despite this, and looking at examples such as this, I really don’t see an end to masking or “covid cancellations”. It’s just never ending insanity.

You wont get an answer wrote:

Yep, and I can't for the life of me figure out what the end game is here for those who still want to continue various mandates, masking, and testing. Is that a forever thing? Because we don't have another finish line in sight. The finish line was the vaccine. We are at the end and we need to accept the endemic version or I guess we just test, mask, mandate for the rest of eternity.

Exactly. Ireland has a 90% vaccination rate for ages 12+, and they have higher cases per capita right now than the US did during its recent surge - and climbing rapidly. Covid is not going away. Maybe things will get a little better; maybe they'll get worse. This is the new normal, so it's time to decide how you want to live for the rest of your life. I personally do not want to wear a mask for the rest of mine, and I really don't want my kids wearing one all day long. We are vaccinated, and I am happy to take any residual risk and live life as normal.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Doesn’t California have a mandatory vaccination policy for all schools and universities? How effective is this vaccine if a fully vaccinated or at least highly vaccinated football program comes down with 44 COVID cases (and counting). I’m vaccinated and I encourage everyone else to get vaccinated but I think it’s clear the vaccine isn’t as effective as we or the experts thought.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfgate.com/collegesports/amp/cal-football-covid-outbreak-44-cases-berkeley-16608097.php

If one is inoculated (repeatedly?) with a high enough viral load they will test positive regardless of vaccine effectiveness. The magnitude of this outbreak suggests that's what happened here and is the department of health's contention per your linked article.

That is, the scale of the breakout is the result of a failure to abide by physical mitigation guidelines.

All of these 44 lab-confirmed cases involve people infected with highly contagious COVID-19, which spreads easily unless public health safeguards are used.

Cases emerged in an environment of ongoing failure to abide by public health measures. People in the program did not: Get tested when sick, stay home when sick, [or wear] masks indoors.

These simple measures keep people safe. Failing to do so results not only in individual infections, sickness, and worse, but also threatens the safety of all around them – especially those with compromised immune systems.

So essentially, even if we mandate Covid-19 vaccinations, like they did in California COVID cancellations, frequent testing and masking requirements will still be the “new normal”.

Yeah, don’t think so. You can keep that insanity in California- the rest of the country will move on.

I took a look at excess deaths by state over the last two calendar years and was surprised to see Texas on top.

Mostly the order seems consistent with reported Covid deaths per state (Massachusetts seems low), but Texas is in 19th in population normalized Covid deaths per Worldometers. Not sure what's going on there.

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/percentExcessDeathsByState2020-2021.png

You want honesty. It must have driven you crazy to hear W's whopping lies about WMDs and lots of other things, and trump's 35,000 public lies.

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

I took a look at excess deaths by state over the last two calendar years and was surprised to see Texas on top.

Mostly the order seems consistent with reported Covid deaths per state (Massachusetts seems low), but Texas is in 19th in population normalized Covid deaths per Worldometers. Not sure what's going on there.

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/percentExcessDeathsByState2020-2021.png

Yes, there have been more per captia deaths in Texas than California as Texans have enjoyed more freedom than Californians over the past two years and with freedom sometimes comes danger.

If you outlawed cars in California I’m guaranteeing you would see much less motor vehicle related deaths than in Texas as well, however I would not think the outlawing of motors vehicles preferable.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

I took a look at excess deaths by state over the last two calendar years and was surprised to see Texas on top.

Mostly the order seems consistent with reported Covid deaths per state (Massachusetts seems low), but Texas is in 19th in population normalized Covid deaths per Worldometers. Not sure what's going on there.

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/percentExcessDeathsByState2020-2021.png

Yes, there have been more per captia deaths in Texas than California as Texans have enjoyed more freedom than Californians over the past two years and with freedom sometimes comes danger.

If you outlawed cars in California I’m guaranteeing you would see much less motor vehicle related deaths than in Texas as well, however I would not think the outlawing of motors vehicles preferable.

However, all of this should be a mute point as we have vaccines readily & freely available to essentially anyone who wants one- a vaccine which prevents about 99.99% of Covid fatalities. There is no need to cancel events due to Covid any longer.

I don’t think you get it. The event is cancelled cuz the players have a COVID outbreak. They don’t want dozens of kids with the virus going 100% in a football game. Cal can’t field a team of guys without the virus. Community spread causing cancellations is over. Ultimately a lot of people (even vaxxed) might get COVID but vaccine plus natural immunity will make that eventually a rarity and most cases will be mild.

There’re hundreds of college football teams and this is a rare event clearly not worthy of much outrage. Perfect storm sorry Cal football sh** happens.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

I don’t think you get it. The event is cancelled cuz the players have a COVID outbreak. They don’t want dozens of kids with the virus going 100% in a football game. Cal can’t field a team of guys without the virus. Community spread causing cancellations is over. Ultimately a lot of people (even vaxxed) might get COVID but vaccine plus natural immunity will make that eventually a rarity and most cases will be mild.

There’re hundreds of college football teams and this is a rare event clearly not worthy of much outrage. Perfect storm sorry Cal football sh** happens.

No, you don't seem to get it.

The current vaccine renders COVID essentially harmless with a 99.99%+ survival rate even if covid is caught. So the players should be allowed to play with or without covid, especially since everyone on that field and everyone in their schools are mandated to be vaccinated and the vaccine is readily & freely available to all who desire to get it.

The goal posts continually get moved-first it was "two weeks to stop the spread" then it was " we just need to wait until the vaccine is created" then it was "we need to wait until our most vulnerable get vaccinated" then it was "we need to wait until the vaccine is readily available to all who want it" now its finally to the point where people are just saying "this is the new normal" or "we need to wait until covid is completely eliminated". No, California can keep this absolute insanity.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

[quote]Monkeys Skyping wrote:

[quote]energeticlotuseater wrote:

So essentially, even if we mandate Covid-19 vaccinations, like they did in California COVID cancellations, frequent testing and masking requirements will still be the “new normal”.

Yeah, don’t think so. You can keep that insanity in California- the rest of the country will move on.

They'll *try* to move on and find as has been found since time immemorial, that germs don't care what you want.

If there were 44 influenza cases on one team, the game would be cancelled. Guaranteed. 44 chicken pox, 44 measles, hell 1 measles, 44 lots of things that people don't complain about preventing the spread of.

rules reader wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

[quote]Monkeys Skyping wrote:

[quote]energeticlotuseater wrote:

So essentially, even if we mandate Covid-19 vaccinations, like they did in California COVID cancellations, frequent testing and masking requirements will still be the “new normal”.

Yeah, don’t think so. You can keep that insanity in California- the rest of the country will move on.

They'll *try* to move on and find as has been found since time immemorial, that germs don't care what you want.

If there were 44 influenza cases on one team, the game would be cancelled. Guaranteed. 44 chicken pox, 44 measles, hell 1 measles, 44 lots of things that people don't complain about preventing the spread of.

No my friend, the rest of the country has moved on. The only college football game cancelled this year was an all California game. This Covid insanity is only continuing in the most ultra blue states.

Get vaccinated, get your booster and move on—99.99% chance you’ll be totally fine. Covid is here to stay.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

rules reader wrote:

They'll *try* to move on and find as has been found since time immemorial, that germs don't care what you want.

If there were 44 influenza cases on one team, the game would be cancelled. Guaranteed. 44 chicken pox, 44 measles, hell 1 measles, 44 lots of things that people don't complain about preventing the spread of.

No my friend, the rest of the country has moved on. The only college football game cancelled this year was an all California game. This Covid insanity is only continuing in the most ultra blue states.

Get vaccinated, get your booster and move on—99.99% chance you’ll be totally fine. Covid is here to stay.

What about the increased risk of spreading it and risking the health of someone who might be particularly vulnerable? Who would want to do that? It's not just about your own health.

Yep. Players miss games with illnesses all the time. 44 guys with a contagious illness is a postponement that is going to happen. It’s not about their statistical chance of dying it’s about making a responsible decision.

Here is my philosophy:

1.) Get vaccinated if you want to.

2.) Don't tell me what to do.

3.) I won't tell you what to do