"**** yeah!" Michigan HSer runs 22-second pb to finish 2nd at state. Promptly gets DQd for profanity.

high school xc coach wrote:

every kid and adult understands that this isn't acceptable behavior. there is no argument.

believe me, you don't want to live in a world where kids feel like they can say whatever they want, whenever they want, at any volume they want. this is not normal, accpetable behavior from a high school kid. and it never will be.

Also a high school coach and totally agree with this. Hundreds of kids win State Meets every year and don't scream obsenties. Everyone knows what is acceptable behavior. Before postseason this is included in my "Don't Do Anything Stupid" speech.

bigmig19.1 wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

1) It's a rule.

2) If the kid knew it was a rule and disobeyed it anyway, that's his fault (and if the story that he was warned previously is true, then it is his fault).

3) If the kid didn't know it was a rule, that's his coach's fault.

4) He earned his DQ, and that's either on him or his coach.

So is cheating in an election, but you gave your side a pass on that one. But Trump...you need help Flaggy as you sound super froggy in all of your posts. Seek help soon.

Prove the cheating, and I won't give the Democrats a pass. You can't.

tycobb wrote:

high school xc coach wrote:

every kid and adult understands that this isn't acceptable behavior. there is no argument.

believe me, you don't want to live in a world where kids feel like they can say whatever they want, whenever they want, at any volume they want. this is not normal, accpetable behavior from a high school kid. and it never will be.

Also a high school coach and totally agree with this. Hundreds of kids win State Meets every year and don't scream obsenties. Everyone knows what is acceptable behavior. Before postseason this is included in my "Don't Do Anything Stupid" speech.

This is so american. Its just words, and nobody cares. Religion has its hold on you. If you had cared as much about not invading other nations as you do for punishing profanity and nudity on screen, there would be a lot more innocent people alive. The DQ is absolutely ridiculous.

I think a lot less people would have problem with the rule if it was consistently enforced, which is why a lot of people are calling it a bad rule. As many have said, in basketball and football games there is lots of cussing, but no ejections (I did a quick google search and only saw players being ejected for attacking other players or officials, not for swearing). Why enforce a rule only in particular instances but not the majority of the time? If you don't want to enforce the rule as written, the rule should be changed.

Swearing was a little over the top, but he was excited. What are you going to do about it? Maybe he shouldn't have shouted the F word, but you're going to take away the whole race? Imagine if you got third place and you just got bumped up to second place because of a stupid DQ. That would stink because you know you didn't actually get 2nd place. I understand enforcing a rule but it invalidates the results.

Any distance runner should be DQed for yelling "Let's go!" It sounds goofy as heck coming out of the mouth of a distance runner.

Leave the phrase for Tom Brady or Lebron James

Who cares he knows he got 2nd.

tresholdftw wrote:

tycobb wrote:

Also a high school coach and totally agree with this. Hundreds of kids win State Meets every year and don't scream obsenties. Everyone knows what is acceptable behavior. Before postseason this is included in my "Don't Do Anything Stupid" speech.

This is so american. Its just words, and nobody cares. Religion has its hold on you. If you had cared as much about not invading other nations as you do for punishing profanity and nudity on screen, there would be a lot more innocent people alive. The DQ is absolutely ridiculous.

For the record, I am not religous and you are really streching to try to compare this to war and nudity on television. I think teenagers should act a certain way when you are on a team and representing your school at a meet. Hundreds (maybe thousands) of kids win races and are excited without sceaming obsenities.

Agreed. Something tells me the people bashing the rule haven't been responsible for a large amount of kids at once.

So there's this thing called the First Amendment. The legality of this rule under the US Constitution is questionable.

ProfanityProtector wrote:

So there's this thing called the First Amendment. The legality of this rule under the US Constitution is questionable.

OK upon further reflection, the NFHS is not the government so I guess the First Amendment wouldn't apply. Although it's kinda weird a non-public actor gets to make the rules for a public school race.

So he broke the rule. Rules are rules. As mentioned by a prior poster, the NFHS has a webpage where you can propose a rule change. But as long as the rule is on the books, it should be enforced.

ProfanityProtector wrote:

ProfanityProtector wrote:

So there's this thing called the First Amendment. The legality of this rule under the US Constitution is questionable.

OK upon further reflection, the NFHS is not the government so I guess the First Amendment wouldn't apply. Although it's kinda weird a non-public actor gets to make the rules for a public school race.

So he broke the rule. Rules are rules. As mentioned by a prior poster, the NFHS has a webpage where you can propose a rule change. But as long as the rule is on the books, it should be enforced.

OK apparently MHSAA races include both public and private schools? And the MHSAA is also wholly private. So yeah really there's nothing to see here.

As to the wisdom of this rule, just imagine if every kid did this. It would be mayhem! I think it's a good rule. Keep it classy.

Some of you sound so stuck up and out of touch. Just let the kids race man, if he swears he swears, that shouldn't nullify his hard work and success especially since it had no impact on the race itself. And to those saying "well imagine if everyone did that" yeah but that will literally never happen, these situations are always outliers. To change the results and to strip a kid of his one and only all state honors (as a senior no less) is idiotic and shows a serious lack of compassion. Someone said this earlier in the thread but its not like this rule is enforced equally across the mhsaa either, especially in a situation of this gravity where accolades are on the line. At the end of the day, officials shouldn't be deciding the outcomes of competition, athletes should. On every level and in every sport.

bigmig19 wrote:

Ghost of Ward Cleaver wrote:

Observe the kid after that statement...is there any unsportsmanlike conduct in the chute? If not, maybe issue a warning on the language.

BUT do petition the state association to move to an actual CC course!

The banking is definitely too high I have found. But MIS is generally liked from what i have found.

My son ran there four years in high school. MIS is awful! Runners hate it. Spectators hate it. The start is soft, rutted, and often flooded. They bring loads of dirt in to dump over the sections of the speedway where the runners cross. As far as the banking, kids aren’t allowed to run on the actual banked track. They run in the dirt/weeds along the side. Barriers funnel thousands of fans through 20 ft wide pass-throughs causing numerous bottlenecks. It’s impossible to move around to cheer runners at different points in the race unless you full out sprint. Overall, MIS is by far the worst place my son ran in 7 years of competitive running, and it’s not even close. Michigan has so many beautiful trail systems and natural areas. Why they choose this garbage pit for the biggest race of the season is a mystery.

Flagpole wrote:

bigmig19.1 wrote:

So is cheating in an election, but you gave your side a pass on that one. But Trump...you need help Flaggy as you sound super froggy in all of your posts. Seek help soon.

Prove the cheating, and I won't give the Democrats a pass. You can't.

Prove to you? LOL, you have disprove the cheating to me, but you can't because they did.

Mueller is going to get him. Probably posted 3 dozen times by Flagpole on the Trump thread. LOL. Flagpole fails.

2016: Trump won't be running for re-election in 2020, I guarantee it. LOL. Flagpole fails.

Facebook ads from foreign countries influenced ignorant voters like Flagpole. False (except for Flagpole voting for a murderer). LOL. Flagpole fails.

You giving the Dumocrats a pass or not has zero affect on what really happened with the voting machines.

If the exact same things that were caught on video election night and the following weeks were votes that coincidentally went to Trump and he flipped 4 states in the middle of the night, you'd be all over this board saying the Republicans cheated, look at the evidence!!! You'd have to be an actual moron to not believe they didn't cheat.

As mentioned, you have zero clout on the outcome of a National Election and your beliefs are biased to an insane level. When the truth all comes out, you'd still be the little fat man who pouts and says "it's not true!".

Why am I posting this? It's not for me, it's simply because I love for other posters to know how wrong you are on so many things but your big ego won't allow you to admit the obvious. Anyone who brags to your level about things that aren't true is one insecure person. Carry on fatman;)

1st runner disqualified at MHSAA XC Finals wrote:

Yes, this is a tough rule. You are not only disqualified, but suspended for the next athletic competition. For me, that was the first outdoor track meet. As shared in a previous post, I had a similar incident in 1995. The MHSAA will not overturn the decision with being in the rule book. I accepted the decision and moved on.

No, not a tough rule at all.

Kids do it to sound cool, period. They want spectators and other runners nearby to hear them so that they "get looked at". It's pure ego and nothing else. There's no reason to finish a race and use such language except to be seen and heard.

Coach's say don't swear before, during or after the race. Don't do it, period. Instead of wasting the energy to spout out profanities at the end of a race, use that energy to run faster during the race.

Overturn the decision? Why would they? What kind of precedent does that set? Joey got away with it last year, so I'll do the same. It's ego guys and gals, nothing else.

You were suspended in 1995 and you deserved it, period. You were trying to be cool, eh?

bigmig19.1 wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Prove the cheating, and I won't give the Democrats a pass. You can't.

Prove to you? LOL, you have disprove the cheating to me, but you can't because they did.

That is so clueless and ingnorant that you are a lost cause. You claim sytematic cheating with no evidence and every judge 9even Trumps) saying it didn't happen. Even with all this you want other people to prove to you it didn't happen just because you are a brainwashed sheep of Trump.

"He didn't swear at anyone."

Tell that to the third place finisher, I'm sure that runner was insulted and felt like it was taunting.

I don't punish my own kids for swearing, but if they did it in that situation I would accept the disqualification.

Some motherf---ers swear and some motherf---ers don't; the point is, they're all motherf---ers.