Was the polio vaccine has polarizing as the covid vaccines?

DontFeedTheTroll wrote:

Luv2Run wrote:

We had a small number of adverse reactions to the J&J and people freaked out.

What's particularly funny/sad is that the J&J vaccine is the sort of bog-standard, old-fashioned vaccine that people claim they trust (unlike those new-fangled mRNA vaccines that actually work much better).

And yet...

Actually, J&J (and Moderna) have much higher demonstrated efficacy at around 75% against delta than does Pfizer (42%). All the data so far bear this out. This isn’t an anti-mrna take as Moderna is mrna, but it is pro-J&J, which is not less effective.

To answer the OP's question, I barely recall the polio vaccine. I don't remember a controversy. I *think* we got the shots at school (Salk) and then sometime later, we got the sugar cube (Sabin). I vaguely remember the sugar cube had something pink soaked into it. The shot left a scar, but it went away after 50 years or so. Polio was much scarier than COVID because everyone saw the paralyzation caused by polio, either FDR by the parents or some unlucky kid all the kids knew about. They didn't die. They just lived on as a constant reminder of the horrors of polio.

To be honest, I don't remember much of elementary school and not all that much from high school. There was virtually no news except the 6 o'clock news or the rumors you heard at Sunday School or school.

another Trump defeat wrote:

gottarun215 wrote:

This is a great way of describing what's going on. +1

Maybe the dumb people should take responsibility for their own decisions and not blame the smart people for not being smart enough to convince them (the dumb people) not to act in a way that put themselves, their family and their country at risk.

To summarize, dumb is dumb, smart is not dumb. If you are dumb, its your own fault, not the fault of the smart for not convincing you not to be dumb.

Just take the vaccine, stupid!

OK, so maybe you are "science" smart or "statistics" smart. Nevertheless, it's still possible you don't have a high level of skill interacting with other people.

For example, I'm a prospective client for whatever company you work for. You would like me to become your company's client. You say to me, "There's a lot of evidence that we are the best solution to your needs, and if you can't see that, you are STUPID!"

First, insulting people shuts everything down.

Second, if you can't figure out a way to manipulate stupid people into doing what you want them to do, there's a high likelihood that you are. in fact, one of the stupid.

taco shells wrote:

Go for Ed Chambers wrote:

Ok, let’s do the math

650,000 / 333,000,000 = .00195

Duh!

I love it when heartless pricks reduce 650,000 dead people to a tiny decimal in an attempt to make those dead people less significant.

how about 9/11 3000/333,000,000 = 0.000009

how about Benghazi 4/333,000,000 = 0.000000012

See you fool, what you are doing is very offensive. And, the only point it proves is how big of an AHOLE you are!

Happy to see that you can do simple math. I’m also ok if you are offended. And lastly, yes, Benghazi is statistically insignificant. Finally!!, some of the dumb dumbs are starting to get it.

There has been plenty of evidence of the importance of vaccinations. No one can make a stupid person learn what, due to rigidity and tribal thinking, they don't want to know.

There is no reflection on the smart person because the dumb person refuses to see.

Its a much more complex issue than the decision to become a client to your company.

How many people will believe the conman Trump until the day they die? How many still think he won the election despite countless recounts and failed court attempts and explanations from ethical republicans telling them he lost.

The dumb person doesn't make the smart person less smart because the dumb person wasn't convinced and is still dumb.

memo 618.. wrote:

Maybe the dumb people should take responsibility for their own decisions and not blame the smart people for not being smart enough to convince them (the dumb people) not to act in a way that put themselves, their family and their country at risk.

To summarize, dumb is dumb, smart is not dumb. If you are dumb, its your own fault, not the fault of the smart for not convincing you not to be dumb.

Just take the vaccine, stupid!

Seven dumbs and four smarts in two sentences.

Dumb wins.

You are quite a writer

The Unkle wrote:

memo 618.. wrote:

Maybe the dumb people should take responsibility for their own decisions and not blame the smart people for not being smart enough to convince them (the dumb people) not to act in a way that put themselves, their family and their country at risk.

To summarize, dumb is dumb, smart is not dumb. If you are dumb, its your own fault, not the fault of the smart for not convincing you not to be dumb.

Just take the vaccine, stupid!

Seven dumbs and four smarts in two sentences.

Dumb wins.

You are quite a writer

Its pretty obvious which side you are on. But, dumb never wins, sorry.

fisky wrote:

To answer the OP's question, I barely recall the polio vaccine. I don't remember a controversy.

I remember that everyone welcomed the vaccines ecstatically, for prevention of a paralytic disease. Salk and Sabin were lionized. There was no case at all that the vaccine side effects were worse than the disease, as in the COVID vaccine side effects for young people.

rojo togurt wrote:

DontFeedTheTroll wrote:

What's particularly funny/sad is that the J&J vaccine is the sort of bog-standard, old-fashioned vaccine that people claim they trust (unlike those new-fangled mRNA vaccines that actually work much better).

And yet...

Actually, J&J (and Moderna) have much higher demonstrated efficacy at around 75% against delta than does Pfizer (42%). All the data so far bear this out. This isn’t an anti-mrna take as Moderna is mrna, but it is pro-J&J, which is not less effective.

That's very odd, because Moderna and Pfizer use the same technique (mRNA of the spike protein). Is there any explanation as to why they have such different levels of protection against Delta?

Okay, I just found a study that had Moderna at 91% effective for preventing hospitalizations, Pfizer at 80% and J&J at 60%. IIRC, Moderna uses a larger quantity of mRNA, so maybe that accounts for the difference? IDK.

Still, these are outstanding numbers however you look at them.

I am fine with admitting that antivaxxers are so dumb that we must hand hold them to making wise choices for themselves and their families.

That is a big enough win for me. I'm not a fan of tone policing on an internet messageboard filled with bad-faith arguments and trolling, but if someone is like "You need to be nicer because antivaxxers literally too stupid to make basic functional decisions, we must guide them away from obvious harm as if they were blind" I will agree with that surprisingly scathing take.

We get it. You are in insecure guy who enjoys fear mongering and race baiting.

Go for Ed Chambers wrote:

We get it. You are in insecure guy who enjoys fear mongering and race baiting.

At least I'm not a dumb antivaxxer. Gotta take the little victories.

Hey crazy town, you presented 14 incidents of complication, 14. Now compare that number, 14, to the millions of covid deaths and hospitalizations.

ggilder wrote:

fisky wrote:

To answer the OP's question, I barely recall the polio vaccine. I don't remember a controversy.

I remember that everyone welcomed the vaccines ecstatically, for prevention of a paralytic disease. Salk and Sabin were lionized. There was no case at all that the vaccine side effects were worse than the disease, as in the COVID vaccine side effects for young people.

There is zero studied age (10+) where the adverse event profile from the vaccine is worse than the risks of COVID infection.

Yes, speak of the real issue in terms of an unrelated non issue, to avoid the reality of the situation.

They aren't "prospective clients" for the vaccine. They are real people that may get sick and die, because they are too stupid.

"There's a lot of evidence that you may die from covid, and if you can't see that, you are STUPID!" I see nothing wrong with that statement.

Harambe wrote:

Go for Ed Chambers wrote:

We get it. You are in insecure guy who enjoys fear mongering and race baiting.

At least I'm not a dumb antivaxxer. Gotta take the little victories.

Half of your statement is accurate.

Go for Ed Chambers wrote:

Harambe wrote:

At least I'm not a dumb antivaxxer. Gotta take the little victories.

Half of your statement is accurate.

Which half smart guy?

You're not good at this.

POKE IT POKE POKE wrote:

polio f&cks you up big time

covid gives you the sniffles

My son a 14.30 5k runner almost died from the " sniffles" ,9 days on a ventilator, 21 days in the hospital, dropped 2 stone. Faces months of rehab.

DanM wrote:

The Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University estimated that in December, 2020, the very month the mRNA shots started to be administered, the Covid infection fatality rate was 3 deaths per 1,000 people infected.

The last 18 months have been the greatest exhibit of mass hysteria in history. At this point, Covid is slightly above the level of a bad flu season.

I'll pass on the shots, Thank You. Lots of people in other countries want the shots. They can have mine.

AS of today 1 in 500 have died from covid in the US. Please stop with numbers that are not true. Yes you will probably say the government lies and you probably never broke 19 minutes for 5k.