Biden to mandate vaccine for most employees

Jefe in the CO wrote:

Hopefully one of these type of cases get to the Supreme Court quickly:

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/pages/coronavirus-law-professor-sues-over-covid-19-policy.aspx

14 GOP states are going to file lawsuits:

Biden is going to lose in court and look a fool - he must fallen asleep during his constitutional law education. The Federal government cannot order a state to mandate any vaccines. Each state is granted that power to either mandate or not mandate vaccines per Jacobson v Massachusetts (1905). This was reaffirmed in the 1922 Supreme Court decision out of Texas; Zucht v. King, 260 U.S. 174 (1922).

The Forefathers made it clear in forming this country that state's rights on how they govern their state would be independent of the Federal government. Particularly on matters of public health & safety, it's up to each state on how they manage a pandemic and not the Federal government dictating what they should do.

You're confusing being tested with taking meds? yeah guy, we are to take healthcare advice from you....

He also made up a new agency, the "Transportation Safety Administration", and basically declared war on several states by vowing to get their governors out of his way.

Funk Joe Biden!

The Founding Fathers don’t give a fck about your fweelings.

dex wrote:

You're confusing being tested with taking meds? yeah guy, we are to take healthcare advice from you....

Maybe read Biden’s speech first. If you knew what you were talking about you would know this topic involves testing and then vaccine.

And the GOP states and I - don't give a fck about your feeling either Lefty! The article is incorrect in some areas. Washington mandated the small pox vaccine to the Contintental Army but not militia which each state had it's own colonists that voluntarily signed up to fight - and they weren't directly under Washington's command.

If the Forefathers want to mandate vaccines to all 50 states, then they need to come back to life and rescind the 10th Amendment they all made sure was present in the Bill of Rights. Lol.

And the Supreme Court would also need to rehear Jacobson v Massachusetts and decide that states do not the right to either mandate or not mandate vaccines for public health reasons during a pandemic & that only the Federal government can mandate vaccines.

Look at the childhood vaccine laws state by state. Some have personal exemptions while most allow religious exemptions. Each state has the right to decide what they want to do:

Yawn^9 wrote:

dex wrote:

You're confusing being tested with taking meds? yeah guy, we are to take healthcare advice from you....

Maybe read Biden’s speech first. If you knew what you were talking about you would know this topic involves testing and then vaccine.

If you can edit or delete do so 😬

Adultintheroom wrote:

Yawn^9 wrote:

Maybe read Biden’s speech first. If you knew what you were talking about you would know this topic involves testing and then vaccine.

If you can edit or delete do so 😬

I cannot edit. But way to look at a typo instead of the message. A misplaced n should not confuse you that much.

The left is constantly trying to use Washington to back their vaccine. They always leave out where Washington required only new recruits to the army to get the vaccine, not current soldiers. Know why? Because he knew the vaccine had side effects and he couldn’t afford the few soldiers he currently had to miss any time.

Antivaxxers were tough until 80 year old Biden pulled up. Lol.

Harambe wrote:

Antivaxxers were tough until 80 year old Biden pulled up. Lol.

You are tough now. Let's see how long that lasts.

misleading thread title wrote:

fisky wrote:

Typo. Employees not employers

Another typo -

Federal employees, not “employees.”

haha, that wasn't a typo, just a willing omission.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

I would assume this ends up in the courts.

Like all things of course.

There are legitimate exceptions to be sure. But, I doubt being blatantly ignorant or completely stupid will work in court. See the election fraud lawyers.

.....and your worlds keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller.

It's worse.

Forcing companies with 100+ employees to force vaccinations.

Last December he said he would not do this.

Last August Fauci said the govt could not mandate vaccines.

This was, of course, the plan all along.

The water is now boiling and the frog is cooked.

Even the NY Times recognizes this as a big overstep. Remember, there won't always be a Dem President & Congress, so whenever the GOP takes over, they can ram through policies that Dems will find abhorrent.

I'm as pro-vaxx as they come, but I'm not a fan of this policy at all.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/opinion/politics/biden-vaccine-mandate.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur

Still tough. We have more then enough legal standing to fight this in the courts. And we will win.

Not to mention this is unenforceable

70%+ of the people are vaxxed. Vast majorities are in favor of this. This isn't some random policy...it's a response to a pandemic. There are legitimate exceptions for faith and health.

Just because the anti-vaxxers are louder/ crazier / and proudly ignorant doesn't make them correct.

Why has health become so political? In the old days if someone had a cold and one suggested they get some rest, it would be received with appreciation. Now some bitter idiot conservative would greet the suggestion with violence and threat

The Unkle wrote:

Forcing companies with 100+ employees to force vaccinations.

False.

Yawn^9 wrote:

Wrong. The government does not have the authority to stick me with medications.

You conveniently left out the part where companies can take the test costs from employees. In essence, they force employees who might already be working minimum wage jobs to pay for nonsense.

Again, the government is not sticking you with medications. You can find a new job or you can swallow the costs of a test. The rest of us have a right to a safe workplace. If you cannot afford the tests then you should find a different, better job because minimum wage jobs are meant to be starter jobs anyway, right?

Most of the vaccination opposition falls into the following categories:

1. Purely partisan. "Libs can't tell me what to do, so there."

2. Deranged. "The media/hospitals/government made up the COVID numbers! The government is not actually issuing vaccinations; they are implanting chips, mind control devices, or other unknown technologies for nefarious purposes!"

3. Irrational fear. "Even though the overwhelming majority of evidence and experts say the vaccine is safe, including my FAVORITE PRESIDENT, I have found an internet story that says it is not."

4. Selfish fear. "I am afraid of getting unpleasant but minor side effects and would rather risk spreading a deadly disease."

5. Faith-based. "I am not allowed to take medicine because Jesus hated healing people."

There are no good reasons for being against vaccinations. They are safe. The best medical experts in the world say so. Most people I know are vaccinated and they're all totally fine. (Several people I know who got COVID, however, are not.) The vast majority of the population has been getting vaccinated for various diseases for almost 200 years and the COVID vaccines are the most widely-analyzed of all of them at this point. There is plenty of historical precedent for imposing vaccine requirements and it is just a fact that this will save lives and reduced the spread of COVID, whereas the alternative is prolonging the pandemic indefinitely.

The reality is that tens of thousands of people have been dying because of they are unvaccinated and the unvaccinated are helping other variants spread as well. Our hospital systems are being stretched to capacity and that is having ripple effects on all other types of healthcare. People would rather continue to put up with this needless death and illness than "risk" the imaginary scenario of being victims of a dystopian Big Government experiment gone horribly wrong. We're all in this pandemic together and it is time for the vaccine hesitant to do their civic duty like the rest of us and stop being whiny, irrational babies.